FTR: I don't think Hughes/Cabrera for Halladay/Wells has a snowball's chance in hell of happening. I'm simply saying that I'd do it without hesitation if the offer were ever mentioned. Would it cost us Mauer? I'm not so sure. Payroll would astronomically laughable, but it would all be made up in merchandising revenue from all the World Series wins. Just imagine: Jeter SS Swisher RF Teixeira 1B ARod 3B Mauer C Holliday LF Posada DH Wells CF Cano 2B Sabathia, Halladay, Burnett, Joba, someone to eat innings once a week. It would be hilarious. How do you beat that team?
Chapman is still a few years from being ready I've heard. I know he extremely erratic and immature, and control is a major issue for him.
Yes, I'd bet almost anything that adding Halladay/Wells (at $40M+ per year) would take the Yanks right out of any race for Mauer. I strongly doubt they'd commit that much to payroll.
That's the same reasoning I use for buying lotto tickets... it's fun to imagine. It's even the slogan they use: "You never know." But that doesn't mean I expect to win. The same applies to trading for Halladay and Wells AND adding Mauer next year.
And who said I expect to win? It's just a wishlist discussion. And the same sort of wishlist discussion last year resulted in Mark Teixeira donning pinstripes this year. So hey, you really never know.
You said, "Would it cost us Mauer? I'm not so sure." I took that as meaning that you considered it at least a reasonable possibility. If that's not what you meant, then okay. The difference between last year's offseason and the scenario we're talking about is that -- even though they grabbed CC, AJ, and Tex -- their 2009 payroll was still lower than it was in 2008. So it's really not the same sort of wishlist discussion. Because if you add Halladay (and sign him for $20M per) AND Wells (at $22M per)... never mind resigning Jeter and anyone else... a lower payroll is not happening. Not even close.
I'd repeat what I said too. I'm not so sure it would cost us Mauer. In the end, it's "only" money. If the Steinbrenners felt like they could have Halladay and Mauer, they'd absorb Wells' contract. I'm sure of it. That doesn't mean it's realistic, or even that it makes financial sense. Which means it's a typical Steinbrenner move. The Yankees "technically" have already cut payroll from last year. They haven't offered arbitration to Damon, Matsui or Pettitte. With Pettitte I'm sure it's a case where they'd rather bring him back cheaper than an arbitrator would give, but I wonder if they intend to bring the other two back at all. Really though, Wells being included in a Halladay deal was a fellow poster's idea, not one cooked up by the interested parties or even the media. It's really, at its heart, a moot point. I simply said I'd gladly take a deal without hesitation that consisted of Hughes and Melky for Halladay and Wells.
There is no way in hell I give up Hughes in a deal we take Wells back. The Yanks would be doing Toronto the favor of a decade in that case and it shouldn't cost anywhere near a prospect at Hughes level. Wells contract: '10: $12,500,000 '11: $23,000,000 '12: $21,000,000 '13: $21,000,000 '14: $21,000,000 For a .260, 15 homer guy who is already 30?
Hughes and Melky Cabrera for Roy Halladay and Wells? Straight up? You wouldn't take that? Wells > Melky Halladay > Hughes. Forget the money. We're not the Royals.
Halladay Update from John Heyman I have a feeling Roy will be in pinstripes....and I think it's gonna cost them 3 out of these 4 prospects (Montero, Joba, Hughes or A.Jackson)...just my opinion. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/12/02/roy.halladay/index.html?xid=CBSsports
You're missing the point. Even the Yankees have a limit. They've been bumping up against that limit the past few seasons. For the scenario we're talking about, they'd be looking at increasing payroll by about $50M/year. That's far beyond any level of spending insanity we've ever seen from Steinbrenner. Ever. Okay, let's say they don't bring back Damon or Matsui, and bring Pettitte back for whatever short term deal they can negotiate. You're looking at $26M off the books. Including escalators, you're looking at more like $20M off of last year's payroll. Boom... Halladay's contract takes you right back to where you were this year. Now you're adding Wells for another $23M on top of that in the year that Mauer is available in free agency? Come on, dude. Of course you would. But it does mean that Mauer is much, much, much less likely to see Yankee dollars.
The Yankees aren't the Royals but that's still a ridiculous amount for too long of a time. If it was for a year or two fine but until 2014? That's an albatross for any organization. And in comparison to Melky? Wells: .260, 14, 66, 17 SB's, 30 years old Cabrera: .274, 13, 68, 10 SB's, 24 years old If he's better at all, I'd say it's definitely not worth the extra 19 million.
Based on that article, it looks like it won't cost that much. It's going to come down to, like every big name these days, the Yankees and Red Sox. They're the ones that fulfill Halladay's ideal situation between opportunity to win, and chance to make the money he's earned. I think I'd offer Montero and either Joba or Jackson. After they make a choice between Joba and Jackson I'd allow them to look at my other minor league talent, but that's it. I really wouldn't mind giving Montero, Jackson and some throwaway talent. Great. I'm not advocating getting Wells, but if the offer is Halladay and Wells for just Hughes and Cabrera, you'd have to be retarded not to take it. This trade scenario is far from even remotely possible though, so I'm not sure why people keep harping on it.
Oh, don't start getting all PMS-y again. It's a valid point, and one you've obviously failed to think through.
Its gonna be one long winter of Alio v. Cappy......When do schedules come out? Im defintely making my annual Fenway and camden trips but Im lookin to see the Yanks in Detroit and/or the new Chicago dump this year. I only go to places within my work territory so I can expense it and pretend Im goin for work. Cappy you meetin me at Fenway this year? I believe you were workin last June when I went
Nah, I just didn't want to hang out with you. :smile: I'd like to meet up for a game this year... but we'll have to see where I am and what I can squeeze out of the budget. Kid #2 is arriving any day, and I'm already working 60+ hours/week between the lab and the tutoring. I hope to get out of this (modestly paying) research position by mid-summer and land a nice industry job. If that happens, I'll have money and time to spare.
