OH BOY - i see some froth here and you guys are NOT going to like what i write..... first, i saw most of the 3 pre-season games and while there was some good i cannot overlook other issues that will have bite us for awhile.... that being said - i have already given these first TWO years of the mangini era a mulligan - i do not expect much in the W-L column but DO expect a return to no-nonsense football with a competitive club on the field AND on the sidelines. the offense is going to be the lagging unit for the first 2 years - as is usually the case with a re-building program. Pennington is still showing the slow footwork and deliberate release that is just not a good combo for these offenses. you can have all the timing in the world but if you do not have a stellar Oline with 1 or 2 respectable offensive weapons - forget it. my bet is for clemens to start the 2nd half of the year (barring injury). with a good off season next year - we may see some signs in the latter half of 07. but it will really be year 3 to make strides. if the jets do go 9-7 or even 8-8 this year - mangini will get coach of the year hands down. not to be a pessimist as i will watch every game and still get the pit in the stomach but the veterans on this board have seen this cycle go up and down for decades and this will be a tough year - though not even close to the 1995-96 years, no matter what the eventual W-L record is. jil
I agree with you but I happen to think the league is really bad. There are only a handfull of teams sporting NFL quality QB's. A well coached mistake free team is going to win close to half of their games with mediocre talent.
If I remember right, the 1997 preseason the Jets looked very good and went undefeated. This team does not look great, and beat a bad Washington team right now.
The 1997 team scored 348 points. If this team scores that much, they will win 9 games. I dont think that is going to happen, though.
If this team was somehow able to manage to score 348 points, that would be an average of 21.75 points per game. The D is good enough that 348 points would buy us 12 wins. We aren't scoring 200, much less 348...
I've been saying since the mangini hiring... we are looking at 2008 to be a playoff contender... which is also why I SO wanted a QB in this last draft. They simply need more time to develop. (Rothlisberger and one or two others excepted) I hope that at some point, maybe week 10, Clemens comes in. By 2008, if he's the real deal (and I think he is) we should be ready. We still have many holes to fill...a NT, a playmaking TE, a dangerous #1 WR, an RB, and by 2008, a couple of guards, maybe a RT too. I frankly don't know how many of those O line spots can be filled with the developing players we now have on the roster. I am looking for a disciplined team that executes, and even that will take until next year to come together. Brad Smith and Reggie Newhouse should be ready in 2008 as well. It all points to 2008. This offense will struggle to score 2 TD's a game... I look for a lot of scoring from the D and ST's. But, it's gonna be hell on messgae boards, as jet fans are already going off the deep end, after only 3 preseason games.
The amazing thing about 1997 was that Parcells and his staff went 9-7 with the same basic team that went 1-15 under Kotite. Of course, Parcells had Bellichick as the DC, Weis as the OC, Groh, Crennell, etc, an all-time staff. As for this year, the first thing I see is that we seem to tackle better. A basic thing but huge when it comes to stopping drives and getting off the field on 3rd down, something we could never seem to do under Herm. The offense is a crapshoot, a lot will depend on how quickly the line comes together. If they can run block and someone can run, we can stay in games with our D.
That was probably the best staff ever assembled. Parcells was the man, I loved what he brought to our football team, let's hope Mangini does the same!
Building Year.... You always hear the words "rebuilding year" when a team comes off of a losing season. What does it mean? To me, it means that people expect to lose. And, instead of saying "we expect to lose often" they say "this is a rebuilding year". So, I don't like the term at all. Maybe people think that it implies a process of finding the best people, plays, and resources in order to make the seasons after the present one better. Yet, that is the same process that great teams go through. Now after a season like last it seems that the processes needed to be deeper. So, New coaches, new defensive plays, new offensive plays, and some new players fits the idea of a major renovation. Offensive ideas like fitting offensive plays to strengths, fitting gameplan to opponent weaknesses, and questioning "who is best" are all good things. An emphasis on the goal to win is great. But, keeping people and systems that do not contribute to that goal is the thorn in the compressor. During a major renovation there is a larger area needed to work. Keeping extra players for reasons other then winning is just not a good idea. And, always trying to win the next one should be the most important goal. So, I disagree with people saying "this is a rebuilding year" in order to justify the keeping of one player on the roster. Injuries (Will the player increase the chance of winning if he gets better.) Rookies (Will the player increase the chance of winning with maturity.) It's a simple test. Don't see why it isn't observed more often.
That's pretty much waht Vilma said on the Francessa show from TC. He said he isnt "buying into" the rebuilding thing, and that they are playing to win. Are you thinking of anyone specifically?
Yes.. Yes. But, I don't like to be negative. And, I want to see how the coach works things out. I mean, it's not just players that get critiqued. And, a coach would know what's what. Just hate the term "rebuilding year". No, I don't want to watch the Jets lose, thank you.
More unwarranted Mangini Kool-Aid Love-fest here eh. Can we please just stop with the Parcells-mangini comparisons??? Here's the difference between the two: Parcells was a hard ass, and he didn't care what you thought and even less what you said. But he knew how to motivate his men, he knew how to reach them. Mangini seems to just be getting on people's nerves at this point. It is yet to be seen if Mangini has that same quality.
Falling into the media hype regarding Mangini already? Because Mawae said so? Yeah, Mawae has no ax to grind. There haven't been any substaniated reports that "all mangini has done is to get on people's nerves".... the media, yeah, they don't like him, but don't be a sheep.... this "seems to be" stuff is as silly as the Parcells comparisons are. Geeze.... with a preseason game left, people are trying to "get" people off the mangini kool aid.... news flash... Lucy hasn't even opened the kool aid stand yet. (OK, lemonade, but the point is still valid)
I'm using my own eyes. and my own sense. this has nothing to do with the media -- except he's pissed them off too -- with antics like the alphabetical depth chart. BB never even did a stunt like that. I don't care about Mawae either. I have made my own points, TBJ. Clearly. And talking of sheep, there's the large majority of jet fans going "baaah" righjt now. I'm not one of them. But you are. Open thine eyes. NO one complains when they're winning. I'm just saying: Mangini needs to lighten up and temper the shtick.
players comments. Vilma's comments, Laveraneous's comments, etc. And my general observation of Mangini's style and demeanor.
On one hand you complain that people are drinking the Mangini-ade, then you say he is getting on people's nerves. If you want to believe a disgruntled former center, and a bunch of obnoxious media types, go right ahead. He does remind me of parcells, and that's not a bad thing.
what are you talking about? I didn't mention Mawae at all. Read the commenst that Vilma and Coles have had to say about Mangini's system. And what doesn this has to do with the media. You're trying to reduce this into all loyal fans/mangini vs. the media/disgruntled players/enemies of the state. but that isn't what this is about. mangini isn't your mom, and I didn't just insult her. I'm making valid points based upon my own observations, as well as being informed by Vilma's commenst concerning the lack of direction, and Coles's commenst on the same, and the patronizing treatment the players have gotten. Their gist is that they -- the players -- are on a need-to-know-basis. I'm not anti-Mangini, I just think he needs to cool his jets a little.:lol:
