2 Sequences That Cost Us The Game

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  1. PJ4Ever

    PJ4Ever Well-Known Member

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    I think this was the biggest killer as well. I'm also not so sure it was holding. Questionable call.
     
  2. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    the blame can be passed around.

    for me, personally, it was the D at the end of the game who couldn't get a stop when we needed it most. you kind of have to expect it because the Pats are experts at killing the clock when they have the lead.

    but if the D comes up with a stop earlier in that last possession, it changes the whole landscape because then Chad and the O have much more time to work with. once again, we can't stop a pass play on 3rd down; it seems like this has been the problem for 4 years now.



    cheers
     
  3. EcKo151

    EcKo151 Active Member

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    No disrespect towards our defense...But that to me is more a product of Tom Brady being Tom Brady. Not a day you'd expect vs. the Jets but when it came to crunch time, he was money, which is no surprise and that's just a great QB.
     
  4. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    They had already been stopped on at least 3 3rd and 1 or 2's w/ play action passes. I was happy w/ the play call they just didn't execute.
     
  5. chef

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    ur D killed u on 3rd down
     
  6. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    You've gotta run a QB sneak there, it's almost impossible to stop, especially when you've got that short of a distance to go. Handing off deep in the backfield when the Pats were expecting run was a recipe for disaster.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I would have been happy w/ a sneak as well but we should have been able to get a few winches w/ the play that was called.
     
  8. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    What was worse, is it wasnt 4th and one.


    It was 4th and three inches.You dont hand off in that spot. You pick a Guard center gap and fall into it.

    that one is on the coaching staff.
     
  9. GreenHornet

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    I am on board with the end of the half disaster. Just a bad sequence. I think there was also a D penalty that gave them 1st and goal that was also costly.

    With NE, it always comes down to a couple of mistakes. We played hard, no doubt.

    The Coles TD and the Cotchery TD were some of the most exciting plays I have seen out of the Jets in a long time. To actually come up with the block at the end of the game on a 20 yard FG attempt on NE was amazing. It showed we still were playing with heart to the bitter end.

    Granted we still came out of it with a L, but I do think we continued to earn the respect of NE, and other teams scouting us.

    Some points: Where was Brad Smith? He was not utilized. He surely could have given us benefit from a few plays or some orchestrated package. Our run blocking needs a lot of work. I think Kevan Barlowe is our best active back. Blaylock is not the answer for us. Why is Cedric Houston in the Mangini bull-pen? I think we could have been a little more imaginative with some of our offensive sequences in the first half. I am not saying we were bad - not at all - but, our inabilty to establish any credible running game really hurt.

    BTW, now that teams have basically witnessed a clinic on how to beat us expect more of the same. Do everything to shut down the Jets run and let Pennington try to beat you with his arm. This is why if this continues, Brad Smith has to be utilized more in the slot - just think he gives us another option.

    NE used the 4-3 on us a lot yesterday - interesting.
     
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    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    How about NE O & D line just DOMINATING our O & D lines that does not count?
     
  11. jetsfan119

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    What about on the last NE drive where we had them 3rd and long two times in a row, once at around the 30, then again at around the 45. we allowed them to make the 8 and 10 yard catches, if we held them on one of those we would have gotten the ball back and the way the offense was scoring we could have managed to do something.

    I loved to see the Jets show some guts, that was awesome, you could see how chad was fired up and the whole team was ready to fight. Chad will be the reason why this team will win, he puts this team on his back and fights.
     
  12. North Carolina Jet

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    We had a number of chances to stop them on 3rd and 4+ yards to get the ball back in the 4th...they got a first down every time.
     
  13. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    The Coleman holding penalty on 3rd and 20 hurt bigtime.
     
  14. statjeff22

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    What is pretty funny here is that junc started with two very reasonable choices for crucial places where the game was lost, and then other people have chimed in with at least 3 or 4 more! I think that this says something about how close the game really was (or wasn't).

    I think that there were three positive things in the game: playing hard to have a comeback, Chad's throwing, and the amazing plays of Coles and Cotchery. There were also many bad things, most importantly being destroyed at the line on both offense and defense. If Cotchery and Coles don't make those plays (which were pretty fluky, especially Cotchery's), the game isn't that close.

    There were plenty of positives to take from the game, but people should remember that New England always seems to win "badly", but they still win. They're 2-0 on games they could have lost - but didn't.
     
  15. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    It was definately a very weird game. I don't think you can say that the game wasn't close, because one misstep by the Pats or one big play on defense by the Jets on that final drive and who knows what happens. But that last drive was vintage Brady/Patriots.

    The Jets get 2 amazing TDs from their WR's, pick off Brady on an incredibly ill advised pass(watching this live it seemed like Barrett pushed off to make the INT but I never saw a good replay angle) and cause a fumble on a safety blitz. They also blocked a FG. And they lost by 7 points. I think that right there says it all. The Patriots were in "command" the entire time and when it became a 1 score game then went on an 8 minute drive that effectively ended the game.

    At least they gave the fans some excitement though, the crowd was incredibly loud from the end of the 3rd quarter on and standing for most of the time. I would be careful about saying that the Jets proved that they could play with the Patriots though, because I don't think that was the case.
     
  16. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I felt like the team, our defense in particular, seemed shellshocked or starry-eyed for the entire first half. They either weren't prepared properly or the Pats threw some uncharacteristic looks at us in terms of blocking and scheming, I haven't been able to watch the game again yet.

    Single play mistakes are killer, but we never would have been in that position had the team come out with something to prove in the first half. They collectively failed for 15 minutes.

    We are where we are and I can't expect them to play like a veteran unit the first time out against the Patriots.
     
  17. NYMagpies

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    yes Graham fkd up but if you think he blew the game for the jets then you are wrong and i even know that.

    look at the D, and our lack of running and penalties...good teams dont give up stoopid penalties.
     
  18. GreenHornet

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    Graham didn't blow the game for us. He did pick a very bad time to kick a 10 yard punt from our 40. NE got the ball on the 50 with plenty of time left to do damage. It was a contributing mistake that was a part of the loss. No doubt about it. Graham is the least of my worries though. I do not expect him to let that happen again.
     
  19. NYMagpies

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    well said and totally agree.

    as chad said in the post game interview, its like making a bad throw.

    Back in the old game Ben played, a player can get 20 kicks in one game and only have 10 of those as effective (hit a target) but that player will be seen as having a good game...here, Ben's possessions are limited so extra pressure is on each one and he knows it too...his reactions after the punt were clear to see....he was NOT HAPPY JAN!!! but he will not do that (a 10 yard punt) again.
     

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