14 days till draft, final mock. Don't read if you don't like trades

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  1. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Very good post, I for one appreciate the hard work you put into it
     
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    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, in the end it's a flawed draft that requires a lot to go right in the draft. I appreciate the kind words, at the end of the day the mock is just an opinion and to be honest if I did it next week I'd probably change a few things :D
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate your opinion, no one will know for real for 2 more weeks
     
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    Btw, your first three WRs are all making one handed catches and the 7th rounder just has the tip of the ball :D

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  5. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    eh just took the first action picture I found of each, the pictures were last second adds.
     
  6. deerow84

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    That would obviously be a great haul but obviously unlikely that even a fraction of it comes true. But some good picks in there, if we even draft a few of those guys it isn't so bad.
     
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    Thanks for the time that you took for this mock. I don't mind trades I just don't like these trades. The Jets should be able to get more than just one first round pick for the sixth spot. That is not a high value trade and they are taking it in the shorts. I hate, hate, hate the Gregory pick. This guy will be asking for munchies on the sideline and so high he'll be tackling his own guys. He already if I'm not mistaken has one strike against him before he even plays a game. Let someone else take that headache. I really like Hau'oli Kikaha but taking both he and Gregory seems like overkill especially after they wasted money resigning Pace. The small CB's are also a waste. We spent millions on the secondary and still have Milliner and McDougle vying for playing time. Plus Walls, Williams. Its a crowded part of the team. I wouldn't have minded a TE somewhere towards the end.
     
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    Same here, props on the work you put into it 68jets fan. Nice job. That said, I'd be leery of this draft.

    1. Gregory: quick but underweight, oft-dinged up. Don't see him setting the edge after seeing USC stone him in the Holiday Bowl.

    2a. Beckham-Green: a year removed, so much "what if?" This is weak sauce but what are the chances of the same city hitting the jackpot with the same name 'beckham' ? ; )

    2b. Kikaha: yet the third guy in a row with off-the-field issues?

    3a. Duke Johnson: yes.

    3b. Ekpre-Olmu: this guy's gone from top CB to 3rd round and it's not only injury-related. This guy can get eaten up by today's bigger, more physical receivers. Ekpre-Olmu (and Oregon's CBs) were dominated by Washington State this year.

    4a. Conley: another 'boom or bust' - seem to have a lot of question marks in this draft, thus the wariness.

    4b. Daryl Williams: fine with this at this position.

    5. Mannion: lead-footed, JAG-qb imho.

    Nice job (and pix) though.
     
  9. 1968jetsfan

    1968jetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I know get a little carried away, I'm a natural wheeler and dealer and always looking for angles. Truth be told if the Jets had a deep roster I'd be trading up more than down and in real life there would be more future picks involved and less current year. good teams always seem to have more than 7 picks in a year (not counting compensatory).
     
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    Point A. I'm not concerned about the weight, lots of undersized LB's do fine if they have the motor and tools and desire. I'm only concerned about his pot smoking at this point getting him suspended.
    Point B. Like point A if you take away the off field concerns it's a no brainer, without two 2nd round picks I don't risk two off field issue players, with 2 seconds I take the chance.
    Point C. Kikaha has no off field issues, his only concern is the fact he's had two ACL surgeries, one on both knee. He's a high energy guy, no character concerns at all here.
    Point D. Ekpre, as I stated, is more suited in todays NFL as a nickle back or FS than he is corner due to his size. Then again with desire and technique it doesn't matter, the greatest corner in the NFL is only 5'11 compared to Ifo's 5'10.
    Point E. Conley, in round 4 you're not going to get someone without blemishes, so draft someone who has the tools and and size to really be something. Biggest mark against Conley is he comes from a run first program.

    Now on Mannion. Same argument was applied to Mettenberger, lead footed. The NFL has moved to being all too 'if he can't run he's not a top of the half QB'. A fad that repeats everytime a position has some success with a new model. As far as I'm concerned mobility is a bonus, if you can pass from the pocket you have a legit chance to become a good QB.

    IN today's model Marino wouldn't be drafted before day 2 or 3 because of his lack of mobility, same with many others. Mobility is a nice bonus, but give me a lead footed pocket passer over a guy who has problems throwing from under center and or from the pocket.
     
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    You go with value IMHO more than need. In the NFL you can never have too much depth and you can never have too much talent at a position. In the salary capped NFL if you can draft a young guy who can replace and play above the level of an older more expensive guy then you do it. Additionally Calvin Pace is a free agent next season, he's only under contract for this year he's also getting older and not especially effective. As a GM you need to think not just about this year but the years down the line.
    The other OLB isn't that good and the overall OLB depth is poor.

    As far as the corners go, Ifo can play corner or FS or Nickle. In a Bowles defense you can never have enough DB's, especially one's that can both play coverage and are solid against the run. Once you get past the 3 corners on the Jets current roster the there is nothing but question marks.

    I really wanted a TE but all the TE's I was interested in were gone or weren't good value at the spot being drafted. This is a very shallow TE draft and I hate TE's that can only block, IMHO at that point just move a tackle outside since they'll almost always be a better blocker anyway and you're basically telegraphing that you're going to run when you bring in a stone handed TE.
     
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    I agree with that but I think there will always be value in round but you also need to be realistic. We have Ekuma and Shaq Evans coming back plus I would like to see more of Chris Owusu. He had an outstanding game last year against Miami. He has everything we are looking for in this draft at WR plus a year experience. So that is 3 WR that are already on the roster. My logic is get a stud at 6 at WR and let the competition begin. Owusu alsoi has the added value of being a kick returner so that is two spots on the roster with one body. Me personally I hate Calvin Pace and bringing him back was a waste. Hopefully they cut him in training camp. I also agree with you that we need a ball hawking free safety.
     
  13. 1968jetsfan

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    Yep, but again that's thinking just one year and it's also placing a lot of faith in backups that have never really produced. Additionally we have several players due big raises in the near future so if you can get some on the cheap for a period of time you do it. Marshall is a great receiver, he's also getting older and is on a basically a one year contract, yes he has more years that can be exercised. Over on the other side you have Eric Decker who's basically a possession receiver and fairly expensive. Then you have kerley, who is a fine receiver but he's also a possession receiver. If any of them go down you really have nothing but question marks that have never really produced and haven't really shone in the preseason either.
    IMHO the first rule of thumb is build depth, build competition and always take the BPA avail at value regardless of position. If the new guy beats out the old guy worst case scenario is you save cap space, best case scenario you trade one of them for a future draft pick.
     
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    IMHO drafting on need rather than BPA or value leads to mediocre choices.
     
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    This year the Jets better not whiff on a WR. Last years draft was loaded with them and they didn't one. The only receiver I think we need in this draft is a speed type guy. All of our receivers are slow except Kerley and he is a slot guy. They really need to develop someone that can scare a defense plus open up the underneath for Marshall, Decker and Kerley. The WR position has been neglected by the Jets since Santana Moss and Lava Coles.
     
  16. Martin&theJETS

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    Would be great but there is a less than a 1% chance of this even remotely happening.
     
  17. 1968jetsfan

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    Honestly, if you forget the off field issues DBG is I think the best WR in the class as far as a replacement for either outside guy. But the off field issues are a concern.
     
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    Yep. then again on any 7 round mock you're going to miss probably 5 of the 7 picks anyway even if you do really well. So might as well aim high!
     
  19. boozer32

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    Yeah his off-field stuff is a problem and having him around Marshall could be cold fusion. Its just too much to worry about with him. The talent is undeniable but wasting a high pick on him would be bold. If he is there in the 3rd I would risk it.
     
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    I agree about needing what I call a "deep threat type receiver" because let's face it, there are plenty of guys who can turn on the afterburners, but you still need a QB who can get them the ball before a defense will lend them any credibility.
     
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