couldn’t have said it better. I agree and even if they did fire Glenn, who they going to replace him with? A respected coordinator from a winning team with ties to the organization? We could only hope for that. Oh wait. That was Aaron Glenn a year ago
What they should have done in the FIRST place. Find the absolute best available X's and OFFENSE guy and back the Brinks truck up. It is the ONLY way this organization is ever going to crawl it's worthless ass out of the dung heap. If they can't do that then they are NOT committed to winning and I won't be here any longer to waste my time and energy. If the Johnson's do not give a fuck about the Jets then why should I? And I'm on record stating that it 100% pisses me off that they had to fuck over one of my favorite players of all time! However, there are 2 in this party and Glenn should have known better. He KNOWS he's in way over his head. I only hope this one year mess doesn't tarnish his playing reputation too much.
Absolutely not, hire a guy like McCarthy, Kingsbury, Kubiak, hell if Stefanski is fired hire him. Proven coach with an offensive background. Hiring a 1st time HC coordinator to the team is perpetuating the problem.
That doesn't mean that said coach doesn't suck ass and we shouldn't try again. There should be about 5 openings this year, each comes with 50 mil or so guaranteed. I understand we are not the 1st choice for most candidates, but last year Jax got Liam Coen after everyone already finalized their selection as he was late to the party. I think we can do better than below average DC from a team that wins with offense, who just had the worst year in team's history as a HC. Oh and the defense got a lot worse too, bottom 3 now, something Glenn had for 2 years, half of his time in Detroit. I will take my chances on a hiring a better coach.
"Hey guys, we know our current coach is awful but we definitely shouldn't hire a new coach because the new guy might be awful too." Fascinating.
So if the new guy is just as bad.... fire again after 1 year? How many times do you take that route? It's not just about missing again. Maybe Glenn can improve? I probably could find posts of you wanting him fired before end of November, so basically he had 2.5 months. If I'm wrong please let me know
Is there a chance that the people who doubted Glenn in October and November might've correctly seen issues with him early? Or did they just hate him for some mysterious reason?
They either hated him for some mysterious reason or they think they can identify terrible coaches in 2.5 or less months which is, again, laughable. Most likely the former instigated the ladder.
I think what you’re missing though dude is a couple things. 1. This Jets offseason is a critical inflection point for the franchise. We have 4 top 50 picks. We have 4 top 50 picks next year including 3 in the top 32. The last thing you want is a coach that is already on the hot seat pushing to make irrational decisions with those picks. 2. Just because you don’t want to have a quick trigger doesn’t mean that Glenn has shown anything to prove he’s capable of being a head coach. He’s a mess in press conferences. As in he’s not even being logical. Like when he didn’t even know how far the FG was in the Denver game. Or playing games with who’s going to be the starting QB? He’s a NFL coach, not Missouri State’s coach. He’s said things that are easily proved incorrect. That’s wild. 3. The defense is a fucking disaster. Not because they’re simply getting outplayed, but because no one knows where they’re supposed to be. If we were shelling up and losing 20-10 in a couple battles, you live with it. We’re getting shelled and it’s not corners getting beat or defensive tackles getting blown off the ball. It’s receivers with a 5 yard halo around them and no one covering them and running backs running through wide open seams because the linebacker hit the wrong gap. That’s inexcusable at this point in the season. 4. His comments about firing Wilks and not getting involved with the defense sooner are also inexcusable. Not only is it his side of the ball, but he’s the head coach and he’s clearly overwhelmed.
I'm not as passionate as the GDS group. If he gets fired I shrug my shoulders and move on. I'm not married to him, but my point is he should get another year. It's talked here like that's a ridiculous concept. Your point about the team, we talk about that same exact crap every single year. Seriously, every year at the end of the season I read "it shouldn't look like this." Maybe it's because the team is garbage, know they are probably all gone next year, and have big hung it up? We talk about coaches who can overcome that like it's magic, I just don't think that's the case. If you're a bottom feeder team, your team is going to dog it at the end of the year minus maybe a game. That's why if they had this run off god awful play early or mid year, IMO, it's a lot worse than the end of a disaster season. But still, if they show heart next week, it can only be enough heart to lose the game and not win it. If they win it, that's also bad of Glenn to the GDS crowd. It's not logical. Part if he does root for him because the immediate hate Glenn got was something I've never seen any fanbase do in any sport.
Should Gase have gotten another year? Tomsula in San Fran? Chip Kelly? I was in on Gase getting another year too. And it was a mess.
So you think they hated him and thus decided he wasn't a good coach, ok. Were the early doubters proven more or less correct as the season progressed? Remember that we're currently playing as badly as we have the entire year and just set an NFL record for consecutive blowouts. I'm sure you'll just blame the roster though, at which point I'll point out the Jags/Pats/Bears again and how they improved dramatically this year with mostly the same rosters because they upgraded their coaches. Then you'll say I have "GDS" and that you don't really care even though you keep responding.
Gase got 2 years. He went like 8-8 or something with the easiest schedule in football. Hindsight is 20/20 and there's a lot of coaches who sucked to start their careers and then went on to be very successful. I'm not too interested in that game.
Thanks again for comparing the patriots roster to the jets so more people can see it and laugh out loud, we need this in the current landscape of Jets football. Yup, coaches do everything the players don't matter. You've cracked the code, you should work for an nfl team tell them to double the salary of the best coach of every position and min salary players because they will just make them great.
Like who? There aren’t many that started off this bad and ended up as successful head coaches. And I’m not really trying to talk about coaches in the 90’s like Belichick.
Lol OK what's my guardrail then? This is my problem. Glenn has been historically bad, but let's not go 20 plus years back. Coaches coach for 20 plus years, that takes away an enormous group of coaches. Vermeil went 4-10 his first year, similar record 2nd year i think. Bill was under .500 three straight years Caughlin went 4-12 his first year Carroll 6-10 first year and jets fired him Andy Reid 5-11 first year Didn't the Detroit coach win 1 game his first year? He's still successful. There are probably a lot more that are better examples, these are quick searches of SB winning coaches minus the Detroit coach. On the player side, all of a sudden our roster matches the patriots. The fucking patriots, and Vrable made them 13-3 and we are 3-13. I'm not saying he didn't help secure a few more wins, but Jesus Christ his coaching staff didn't come in there and do 100 percent of the improvement either. Players matter, the Jets have maybe 12. If he gets fired so be it, but im not putting it solely on Glenn.
Players absolutely matter, but you seem to think coaching doesn't matter at all - every coach is a 1:1 reflection of their roster, nothing more, nothing less, schemes don't exist, time management doesn't exist, fundamentals like tackling don't exist, conditioning training during practice doesn't exist, causing turnovers via coaching players to punch the ball out doesn't exist, in-game adjustments don't exist, viewing tape + data and exploiting opponent weaknesses doesn't exist. Incredible.
This is like when people defend bad rookie QB seasons by saying Peyton Manning had a bad first year. For every outlier who started bad and turned out good there are 10 who started out bad and were fired and never heard from again.
