http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news...d=2401930&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy\ I would really like to see both his and Paul O'Neill's number retired some time in the future.
I'm really looking forward to Dan Pasqua Day. Jeez, if the Yankees had a sumbitch like that, I'd pick them to win the pennant this year.
Bernie deserves a day like that to celebrate his career. He deserves his number retired just as much as O'Neill does, meaning he doesn't.
I think 10P is right. Mo is grandfathered, so his number is still his, just shared. The Yankees already have a dual retired number, so this wouldn't be totally unheard of.
Torre had a shot to have his number retired until he opened his mouth. He may still but now it won't be for years.
I sincerely hope, with all of my heart, that Joe Torre never gets his number retired. That's not even because I don't particularly like the guy, but because, seriously, what justification is there to put his number next to names like Mantle, Ruth, DiMaggio? Bernie doesn't exactly warrant a retiring either, but surely more than Torre.
See, I don't exactly agree there. The Yankees that have been retired surely deserved it. The only guys you could make a decent case against were Mattingly and Rizzuto. Rizzuto was beloved by Yankees fans, and deserved it more for his lifelong dedication to the organization than anything else. Mattingly was the lone bright spot in what was the most dismal decade for the club since before Ruth donned a NY cap. Bernie on the other hand you can make a clear case against. He was never an elite ballplayer, and was not as integral to his team as any of the other retired numbers. The teams that won with Bernie did so without any one player being far and beyond better than any other. The one case you can make in his favor is his postseason hits. But to me, that's just not a strong enough argument. That's why I think his number should not be retired.
Also, Williams is second (jeter is 1st) to baseball's all-time leader in postseason games played (115), 2nd (to Manny) in postseason homers (22) and 2nd (to Jeter) in postseason runs (83). He is first in postseason RBI's (80) beating manny ramirez by a 16 point margin. Maybe we need to put the rest of his career into perspective... With 2,336 career hits, he finished behind only Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, and Derek Jeter on the all-time Yankee list. Hits Rank Player H PA 1. Lou Gehrig 2721 9660 2. Babe Ruth 2518 9197 3. Mickey Mantle 2415 9909 4. Derek Jeter 2356 8425 5. Bernie Williams 2336 9053 6. Joe DiMaggio 2214 7671 Home Runs Rank Player HR PA 1. Babe Ruth 659 9197 2. Mickey Mantle 536 9909 3. Lou Gehrig 493 9660 4. Joe DiMaggio 361 7671 5. Yogi Berra 358 8355 6. Bernie Williams 287 9053 Runs Rank Player R PA 1. Babe Ruth 1959 9197 2. Lou Gehrig 1888 9660 3. Mickey Mantle 1677 9909 4. Joe DiMaggio 1390 7671 5. Derek Jeter 1379 8425 6. Bernie Williams 1366 9053 RBI Rank Player RBI PA 1. Lou Gehrig 1995 9660 2. Babe Ruth 1975 9197 3. Joe DiMaggio 1537 7671 4. Mickey Mantle 1509 9909 5. Yogi Berra 1430 8355 6. Bernie Williams 1257 9053 Extra-Base Hits Rank Player XBH PA 1. Lou Gehrig 1190 9660 2. Babe Ruth 1189 9197 3. Mickey Mantle 952 9909 4. Joe DiMaggio 881 7671 5. Bernie Williams 791 9053 6. Yogi Berra 728 8355 Games Rank Player G PA 1. Mickey Mantle 2401 9909 2. Lou Gehrig 2164 9660 3. Yogi Berra 2116 8355 4. Babe Ruth 2084 9197 5. Bernie Williams 2076 9053 How can you guys say hes not comparable to the greats. some people forget quickly... Bernie is one of just seven Yankees to play at least 16 seasons in the Bronx. not to mention he is an all-time fan favorite and was an integral part to one of our greatest dynasties.
I'm not arguing that bernie deserves to get his number retired but i think that he isnt getting shown enough love.
No way Bernie or Torre should have their numbers retired... O'Neil I wouldn't mind... Jeter & Rivera are givens
How could you not honor Torre, are you guys fucking nuts? How many managers in baseball history won 4 World Series? McCarthy, Stengel and Mack are the only managers in the history of the game with more Championships. Alston has 4 to tie Joe. The little midget Huggins has a monument and he won 3. Yankee fans are straight up RETARDED!!
