So lately I was wondering this If this team did NOT have Revis when Rex came here Would he still have built this team the same way, that he currently has ? What I mean is the heart of this team is its cornerbacks, and we have an unprecedented amount of resources tied into the position. We have the #1 corner (and soon #1 paid corner) in the league, the highest #2 paid corner in the league (who we traded a 2nd round draft pick for) and then our #3 corner is a 1st round draft pick, not a former 1st round draft pick but a 1st rounder drafted to play nickel corner. Obviously im assuming that the logic of getting a stud #2 and #3 corner is when you have the best cornerback in the league it would be a complete waste if your other corners sucked since teams could easily just throw away from him and completely negate his impact on the field. When Rex was in Baltimore that team was really built around its defensive line (hell most tough defenses are), and weve even seen Rex lately begin to go that route (2 1st rounders and a 3rd rounder) invested into the defensive line. So is it likely that had we not already had Revis, that Rex likely would of not gone the route of investing big into guys like Wilson and Cromartie, and rather focus on building this team a different way ? I mean obviously we would still have man corners since his style dictates that, but you can be like Baltimore with mediocre/poorish corners who still have success due to the disruption from the front 7 (Ill add that the point of this thread isnt just a "what if" thread, but rather looking at the Rex and probably the future of this team down the road)
I think both Ryan brother's defensive philosophy requires great cover corners. He likes to build his defense from the back first towards the front. We are strengthening the line now because we already have our corners. Look at the Cowboys. They had awful corners last year and the D failed. This offseason they made cornerback a priority because its necessary for a Ryan Defense. We had Revis when Rex got here but he is still the one that wanted us to go out and get Cro and draft Wilson.
if the corners cant hold up in iso rexs bltz schemes dont work. so yes rex would have done the same things with or without having revis
Rex didn't have great corners in Baltimore but he had great defenses. I think what's happened on the Jets is directly related to the fact that he inherited Darrelle Revis. Nobody would throw at Revis if the other corners were ordinary. 2009 was a mirage promoted by insane blitzing that forced QB's to get rid of the ball quickly and not think too hard about where it was going. If Revis goes away Rex will still have a great defense, he'll just scheme it differently.
Dallas is built around its offense though. I mean if you look at the talent on that defense, theres not alot of it. You take away Ware and thats a well below average defense
Absolutely, but what I was getting at is in Baltimore with rex the philosophy was the faster your front 7 can get to the QB the less your corners have to hold up in iso. So you dont need someone like Cromartie or Kyle Wilson for the #2 corner/nickle I mean Baltimore has Cary Williams as a starting corner and Ladarius Webb playing across from him. Williams was a 7th round pick and webb was a late 3rd. Both of whom are making pennies, yet their defense works similar to ours.
Probably a little more balanced across the front, but in my view the current situation is a blessing for Rex. Secondary = excellent Front Line = Excellent Next year with a small adjustment to the LB core and may be the addition of a safety = Hands down best defense in the league
I don't know that you can call that a well-below average defense. Ware is obviously a prolific pass rusher but there's more than just him. Their kid Claiborne is gonna be a big time corner. Also, Dallas is a really poor example of relating to any other team. Of course Rob Ryan is there running something similar to what Rex has, but in terms of how a team is built? So long as Jerry Jones owns the Cowboys, they'll always be built for style as well as substance. Coaches don't build the Cowboys, Jerry Jones does.
Ryan's battle cry over the years have been "Give me a CB over a DL" all along. Regardless of Revis's presence, Jets would have built strong secondary first - especially since it's more of a passing league than it ever was before. Ryan caught the trend of the time very well in that regard. That said, I do not think Ryan intentionally keeps any spot of the defense weak; he is addressing them with all the resources he has at his disposal. The next spot of emphasis will be the LBs - then the defense will rule supreme for years to come. ------------------------------------------------------------------- The way I see it now is that, it's 1. all about installing an effective system and 2. getting the players to play in the system within the installment time frame. Once the system is up and running, you do not need to go through the dreaded "rebuilding" phase. Every year, you will be drafting to 'replace' the old part, which in turn means that is in itself a rebuilding (albeit in smaller scale.) I think, in 2-3 years, Ryan's defense will be all set - then they don't need to burn multiple 1st round picks to fill a gaping hole. Of course, they will have to start addressing the CB spot (Revis will be getting old by then) but they won't have to burn 1st rounder for that. On offense, I do not have much trust in Sparano as of yet, but I have huge amount of trust in the system he brings. (Erhardt/Perkins system.) That is the system that is specifically suited for the Northeast weather, and it can take various shapes, forms and personalities. (It can assume quasi-WCO like passing form as evidenced by the past few offensive production from the Patriots, or it can take rugged and hard-nosed smash mouth football, as in Giants under Parcells era.) It is not like Sparano inherited a talent-depleted squad in the first place - (the offense has been under-achieving for years, and most of the pieces are already there.) and within that 2-3 year window I mentioned above, I also believe the offense will be set (provided 1. Sparano does well enough as OC and 2. He doesn't bolt from the Jets to take HC job somewhere else.)
Rex's Jet defenses have been very strong however they have all broken eventually. That's just a historical fact at this point. When the Jets have gotten eliminated in the playoffs it was the defense that failed first both years. Last year the defense had multiple games where they allowed long game-clinching drives. When Ozzie Newsome was asked to describe Rex's proclivities as a coach after he'd come over to the Jets the comment he gave was "the man is going to want cornerbacks, he was always bugging us about cornerbacks." That the Ravens decided not to hire him tells you what they think of that proposition.
Very well. I am not here to say which philosophy is more viable - as you know from my battle cries in the past, I too prefer strong front seven over super secondary any day of the week. That said, at least for now I like where the team is headed in terms of direction; at least they are eliminating weaknesses, one at a time. The next spot up will be the linebacker corps; once the system is up and running, then we will see if Ryan's approach was good enough to get to the promised land. If it were up to me, I would hope Ryan also learns the importance of strong front seven - but then I'm but an armchair coach at best so... what do I know, right?
I think the Jets are either going to lose Revis or wind up paying him a silly amount of money that cripples the cap. The one way out for them is that they win the Super Bowl this year and Revis decides to stay for less than the highest offer the market would bring so that he can be part of a great long-term defense and team. People who think that it's all going to work out need to remember that above all Darrelle Revis is in the game for the money. It's in his genes to get the absolute top dollar, which is why he has held out twice. After the 2013 season Revis is completely free to sign whatever deal he can get. No franchise tag. No restrictions. Nothing to constrain his desire to be the highest paid defensive player in football. Watch him. Enjoy him. He's not going to be here for long.
If there's one thing I trust it's Tannenbaum's ability to make it work cap wise. I don't think Revis is going anywhere.
The most likely scenario is that they give Revis an 8-10 year deal that is backloaded on non-guaranteed cash balanced with the up front guaranteed cash that will be the true cap cost of his contract every year. I really don't see them getting rid of Revis unless some team is willing to unload an unreasonable amount of draft picks for him.
Darrelle Revis is an unprecedented cornerback on a team that has an unprecedented love for cornerbacks.
Revis is going to assume that he can get an Asomugha deal with more years in it out of somebody. The deal that Al Davis gave Asomugha. He's going to hit the open market to find that deal and the odds are pretty good that some desperate owner out there will pony it up. It probably won't be Snyder or Jones because those teams already have cap issues and you can't bust the cap if the space is not there to do it. It's more likely to be a team like Jacksonville or Minnesota, a team that has a lot of cap space and an owner who has deep pockets and is willing to gamble on Revis promotional value as well as his value on the field. It's more likely to be a seond-tier team than a contender. The contenders all have perennial cap issues because talent costs money to maintain.
Asomugha's deal was so warped because it was only three years. The Jets need to give Revis what is essentially his last NFL contract so that it doesn't absolutely obliterate the cap. Also, when you consider what teams would normally need to pony up for a franchise QB, if Sanchez continues to play the way he's playing then we've got him locked up for three years minimum at a bargain price of $11m/year. This will help mitigate the cap hit of an unusually elite cornerback that is central to Rex's scheme.
Its completely possible that this concussion could change things into our favor depending how this season plays out. I mean Revis would have to play out next season before he could get his big pay day. So he might want to lock things up this offseason Since if we dont extend him after this year, hes not gonna be a Jet anyway
Adding to what Bradway said, Ozzie Newsome stated, "I am going to send him up [route] 95 with a sign around his neck that says, "I NEED CORNERS." I think it has been Rex's philosophy all along that you can train up a DL, but you can't train up the CBs. He also had a heck of a corner in Baltimore that nobody mentioned, Chris McAlister.
