If Williams is there at 4 its a lock. But if he is gone and Ferguson is on the board i would not be shocked if they trade down a few p/u 1 or 2 picks and take Vernon Davis, AJ HAwk, or Winston Justice. A lot will depend upon if they sign Pearson before the draft. I know Ferguson will be good but you can get a tackle later on with the same type of ability. If Pearson signs they will not take a tackle until rd3.
Did you say they can get a tackle with the ability as D-Brick? What pipe you got up to your lips? Brick is hands down the best tackle. They can get a good tackle or decent tackle. But to say same ability? Way off. Most teams don't draft tackles that high. They feel good tackles come from being taught at the NFL level. The track record for the O-line coach isn't that great. The dolphins were horrid under him.
First you need to have someone who wants to trade up in order to trade down. Second they have to have something worth tradin for to be even consider the trade. Third, although I don't want the Jets to take an OL with the #4 pick, it wouldn't be so bad to end up with D'Brick. It is unlikely we end up in a position to take a potential star if we trade down, we probably aren't getting the 5th, 6, 7th or 8th picks in the trade. If we did get an offer from one of those teams then it is worth considering. Let the draft come to us.
Right now there doesnt appear to be a team behind us willing to trade up and give us fair compensation. Therefore if Brick is left at # 4, and Williams is gone, he is likely our pick. Sure if we sign Pearson he may not fill the biggest need, but when you have the number of picks as we do, and the holes that we do, you always take the BPA and move on. We could do a whole lot worse than the best OT prospect to come out since Gallery.
why is everyone freaking out about a linemen at #4, hell two went in the top 5 a few years back (pace #1 overall, and then the now premier LT in the league jones went at #5 overall) and to all those who detract, need to understand some things, yes pace was a tad bigger coming out of college, a bit more heralded (but not much, look at this draft class compared to that one and then you'll understand why), pace was a better run blocker coming out, but on par with if not maybe a tad worse than ferguson at pass blocking, jones was never an amazing run blocker and still isn't..he has gotten better at it over time to become solid at it, but still is a much better pass blocker, and got better at that to coming to the point he's the best OVERALL LT in the league (and run blocking is nowhere near as important as pass blocking when guarding the left side/qb's blind side) ferguson is about on par with them, the knock on him is a bit of being undersized (but not by to much anymore) and being a little raw (he was a walk-on), but the thing is he's still just as good, and his upside is even higher because he does have quite a bit of untapped potential...the guy seriously has the talent to go #1, but because of what the #1 pick has become (especially money wise at the moment), it's generally going to be QB's (with some possible outside shots for a top RB, DE, or OT..if the QB class is weak enough)
I'd be more than content with whomever from Mario/D'Brick falls at #4. Honestly, the best chance the Jets have of trading dow is if its Mario at #4. The gap between D'Brick and Winston Justice has closed up enough that I have doubts that a team would trade up for D'Brick.
There's actually a considerable difference, winston is more raw, and struggled a lot this past season (he missed the season before after being suspended from school). He's had two run-ins with the law, once soliciting a prostitute if my memory serves me correctly, the other pulling a fake toy "realistic looking" gun on a fellow student at USC which caused his suspension. The guy has red flags, and underperformed a bit, would have been better served to stay in school, but considering there's no way brick falls to #8 and ngata could be gone, buffalo may look to take him just because of their massive need along both lines. Because of that and the fact just about everyone left USC, it in the end is smart, but he would have been a better value pick and better player coming into the pro's if he stayed in school one more year. You can't rate a player, let alone an tackle on numbers. Besides the USC pro day was a giant joke, all it was was a spectacle to help recruiting and also put on a show for fans. Some of the numbers put up by USC on the board as electronic numbers don't even fit right anyway, for instance everyone on USC had about on average 2 1/2 inches higher on their vertical jumps than they did at the combine (in that short amount of period of time, there's no way all of a sudden guys jumped as high as stated, and also managed that big of a jump in that short of time), and more openly noted by scouts even though the media covered it up, was that none of the scouts believed Bush's 4.3 time (whatever it was 4.31, 4.33 i cant remember exactly), but you know, nice job by the mass media to quiet those reports (which is in their best interest anyway). And if you really believe Gil Brandt and the NFL, specifically when it comes to major schools (which is tops, probably followed by ESPN, then other subsequent mass NFL promoters) then you really don't know what you are talking about.
No i am not saying Ferguson is not the number 1 rated. But there are some things such as his run blocking and getting beat on inside rushes. I heard Williams took him to school when they played against each other and he also had some weak moments in the senior bowl. If they take him i have no problem with that. But there are other options they have to explore. Remember the Packers might want to trade because they look like they would like to move Favre. Listen the Jets need so much it really does not matter what postion they take because they will be getting a good player.
When did Mario Williams go up against Ferguson? And the Senior Bowl elevated Ferguson's stock even more.
Nothing is a lock in this draft, for us. As far as we know, draft day could be a complete and utter surprise.
To be honest with you I think that the Jets are more assured to take Ferguson at #4 than Mario Williams. We already have 2 very capable starters at DE and one guy who you never know with in Thomas. At offensive tackle we have Adrian Jones, and that's it. Ferguson is rated higher than Williams by most draftniks as well.
I believe they played against each other this year. As for the senior bowl Mel Kiper said that Darryl Trapp and Mark Anderson were able to beat him with htere inside rush. He also said thta Ferguson is not in the same class as an Ogden,Pace,or Jones.and Boselli. So dont think we are getting a Hall of Fame cant miss player right away. He will still need some time to develope and he will. But he does have some weakness to work on.
1. um no they didnt. So you go from saying Mario Williams owned Ferguson, to guessing they played against each other? wrong. they played against eachother Mario Williams freshmen year where D'Brick shut him down. 2. Darryl Trapp doesnt exist. 3. Darryl Tapp beat him during the season when Virginia Tech's monster defense straight steam rolled Virginia. BTW, Virginia Techs entire defense is sick, so you cant hold Daryl Tapp against him 4. Have you even see D'Brick play? Youre going based off of what Mel Kiper said. Can you name any other players that have beaten D'Brick, outside of the ones you heard Mel Kiper mention. Can you name a player you actually saw beat D'Brick. this is what pisses me off the most. We got people who haven't seen ________(insert players name) play, but since they've seen one senior bowl practice or read one draft analysis, they feel they can just discredit one player and elevate another. Dont make judgements based on what you havent even seen.
Barring the Saints doing something shocking (QB or Hawk) this Mario vs D'Brick debate is pointless since only one of them will be there at #4.
This is a very good point. Right now, I think Williams will be the one available. The Saints have selected a D-linemen in the 1st round like 3 of the last 4 years, and they need to start addressing some other needs. They will either reach for Hawk or pair Ferguson w/ Jamal Brown
