I think the question of when Tebow will start is kind of pointless, considering they are both playing day 1. So I feel the better question is when will Tebow take over the game? Personally, I say week 2. NY Jets vs Pittsburgh Steelers. I just don't see a situation where Rex Ryan will stick with Mark Sanchez, especially if he struggles, considering what Tebow did to that defense in the playoffs last year. That would be coaching suicide. Tebow had 366 all purpose yards and 3 touchdowns against that vaulted #1 Pittsburgh defense in the playoffs. In fact I think he's going to get a lot of playing time in that game regardless of whether or not Sanchez struggles. My bet is Tebow will get the majority of the snaps against the Steelers, unless injuries or some other unexpected circumstances arise.
Your assuming they will run same base offense as denver if tebow is in . Actually Polamalu and Harrison were abused on fakes in that game. If they did not play 9 in a box Tebow would have rushed for 150 yards but I can not see that happening that way again
No I'm assuming the Jets will run a much BETTER offense than Denver did. And yeah what most people don't understand is that it's Tebow that forced that Pittsburgh Steelers defense to play like that. Even Mike Tomlin stated over and over again, he would have not changed the calls, because they were the right calls. They just got beat. When you have him under center, it's a pick your poison situation. Are you going to stack the box to stop the run or are you going to play zone and allow the short yardage gains? It's always going to boil down to that with Tebow under center for most NFL defenses. Very few defenses have answers for the fact Tebow and the spread option FORCES defenses to cover an extra offensive player. But in the Jets case, I think they will be even better, because he'll give the offense a +1 man advantage if Santonio Holmes gets with the program. Now in Pittsburgh's case they have guys that they don't need to put 2 on Holmes, but they still see him as a bigger threat than any receiver on Denver's offense. They will respect the pass and Holmes more, but if they do that, he will probably rush a lot against them. Either way, rush or pass, I think this is going to be his key breakout game with the Jets outside of the pre-season. PS: Not to mention Holmes will be playing tough too considering it's the Steelers. This is going to be a big game for both of them. Looking back at this, I think I created an omen... [YOUTUBE]SnHkvbaKFq4[/YOUTUBE] With the recent announcement that the Jets are almost trying to run two different offenses, this now seems all the more fitting. I really think the Jets offense will be a nightmare for defenses.
I think the real questionis when will tim tebow win a pulitzer for writing about how he won a nobel prize after winning the super bowl
Sanchez has played well the two times the Jets face pittsburgh, both in Pitt. Any rational Jets fan will tell you the AFC title game loss was primarily because the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed in the first half. Jets also open up against Buffalo who Sanchez has played well against ever since his terrible game rookie year against them. I could see the Tebow package being used against the Pitt defense more than other games though. I would hope Rex doesn't make a panic decision based on one game last year. Oh to explain why I think he could be used more against Pitt is because Pitt plays a lot of grind it out games. Long drives are essential and Tebow can help establish the running game. Its especially important to do that against defenses like Pitt.
So are we assuming Sanchez throws seven picks against Buffalo at home in week 1 right? Or are we basing this on Tebow's 154 QB rating in the preseason. Just want to make sure I order the right sized tinfoil hat.
I want to talk a little more about this vaulted defense that you allude to. Vault Defense in Action: [YOUTUBE]mOmhZHavI9o[/YOUTUBE] Seriously though, I don't think we see Tebow get a bulk of snaps under center until the Miami game. I expect him to lineup in the backfield during the Steelers game to keep the blitz at bay with the threat of delays/counters.
Like I said, I don't believe Sanchez's play in week 1 will have an effect on this game either way. I just believe Tebow will get a lot of playing time regardless of that in this game. His performance against the Steelers D last year speaks for itself. He SHOULD get a lot of playing time and I believe this will be the key game to watch. PS: It's worth noting that the Steelers was the team that kept the Jets out of the SuperBowl in 2010.
And that's a fair point. Here's a friendly tip: Don't make a rational argument for how to game-plan for a specific opponent and name the thread WHEN WILL TEBOW TAKE OVER?
Thats the beauty in this, that many do not understand...yet. Tebow may very well become the reason that the Jets win games, and decisively. The Jets are going to go with the hot hand. Ground and pound, for those who dont know, means running the football. 2009 the Jets had the #1 Rushing attack in the league, 2010, not #1 but still when the Jets run the ball they win. Simple as that. It takes the load off of Sanchez shoulders, when they run more than pass his performance improves. Whether or not Mark ever becomes a QB like on other teams where a majority of the success is with the passing game rather than the running game setting up the pass...well i dont really care. I prefer running the ball, controlling the clock, beating them down and then swithching gears and airing it out a few time. Tebow very well may have more to do with the game but it will be not as a QB, its as a player running the football, beyond trickery when the ball needs to go through the air just like a team without Tim Tebow, the QB of the team will be in the driver seat, and that is Mark Sanchez. If they run a 60-40 60 being run, it would be understandable to say that Tebow has "taken over the team" but what makes him any different than a team whose RB did not "formerly" play at the QB position?
Not at all, Mark is obviously going to throw for 5,000+ yards and 40 TD's to 3 Ints,,, while T-bow watches from the bench in total wonderment... hmy: I've already got my tin-foil hat on, could you tell? :beer:
Wait a second. Let's not blame the defense for the fact that the offense could only muster up 3 points in the first half. I mean this is what most critics point out about Tebow right? While Sanchez's passing stats looked great, his fumble at the Jets 26 yard line in the 2nd quarter which went for a Pittsburgh touchdown, gave Pittsburgh a 23-0 lead. The game was over in the first half. That wasn't the Jets defense that was on that field. That was against Sanchez and the offense. The O put the defense in a hole with their back to back 3 and outs and then put themselves in a hole with the fumble for a score. The rest of Sanchez's stats was against Pittsburgh playing prevent D in the second half. Similar to what the Pats D does when they blow people out. Pittsburgh never came close to being threatened by Sanchez and the offense. They kept the lead the entire game and the score was still 24-12 with less than 5 minutes left. Sure it ended 24-19, but it was never as close as the score suggests. And 2 of those points game from the Jets defense by way of safety. That was a beatdown, and if the offense struggles to start the game with Sanchez the same way it did in the AFCCG, I can easily see Tebow getting the go ahead early in the game.
Of course, with his #1 & #2 WR's traded away, for 13 of his 16 starts, Tebow's Career Pass Efficiency Rating is only 75.1 Where 4 Year Starter Sanchez's Career PER is 73.2 So it's obvious that Tim will never be an 'efficient' passer in the NFL. :breakdance:
Thats what a team that says they are GROUND AND POUND would do. Youve gotta get past the name and see reality.
Your stats and past performances have nothing to do with the philosphy of this team. All people seem to care about is Tebow getting some kind of title, even though it is meaningless. he has a role on this team, he is not in the backseat. Evrybody has to work togehter not against each other, this shit is ridiculous.
Well then get past the name, and realize that what the Jets are doing, is not "ground and pound" in the traditional sense. If they are really serious about this dual quarterback and 2 different offenses from day 1....this is a first as far as I'm aware in the NFL. Only the Jets know what they plan on doing. I don't listen to ESPN or cliche terminology when it comes to internal offensive strategies of NFL franchises. What they are doing, is new. It is different. And in reality, I'm willing to bet they're going to shoot for a balanced attack, which is what most NFL teams strive for. But they are using 2 different quarterbacks and offenses to achieve it which they hope will make it much more difficult to defend. No matter what they intend to do as an offensive philosophy and strategy, during the game, they're still going to take whatever the defense gives them. They're going to design their game planning week to week, and will adjust as needed, depending on how each game unfolds. If Tebow happens to be under center, and Pittsburgh's D plays him like they did in the divisional game, he's going to take those 35-45 yard pass completions. He's not gonna run if they stack the box on him and leaves Holmes in man to man.
Good job completely missing the point of my post and trying to start a discussion about something completely irrelevant to the point. Sanchez did play well that game. Did I say he played great no, amazing no, efficient, no. Did I say the defense was the only reason they lost, no. I don't know what you arguing about. Did I say Sanchez put the team on his back, no. A 5 point loss isn't a beatdown. The game wasn't over in the first half because clearly there was a second half still to be played. The game was a one possession game and the Jets were one late stop from getting the ball back down 5 with a minute left. Clearly that game was over :lol: Are comebacks no longer allowed in football? We should have called off the Super Bowl once the Giants score to go up 4? Anyways, Tebow could see more plays against a team like Pittsburgh because I said before, its most likely a grind it out game. This would lead to more running the ball, something Tebow can help with. Pitt is one of the better defense, so any special plays they have could be brought out here and test it. I really want to see some plays with Sanchez/Tebow in the backfield. Going to be interesting
The name Tebow stirs no feeling inside me. It means nothuing to me. I know his skills as a player and know what he is capable of. Tebow will of course be given the "option" to throw. Just as Sanchez is given the "option" to run. It however for the most part, is not the game plan. His ability to run the football effectively alone, gives him a spot in this offense. Now add in creating confusion and the possibility he may throw and that increases the effectiveness of the run. Thats his role. When its time to switch gears and throw the ball, or if time is a concern, then the passing game will get more plays...Mark Sanchez's role. Again take the name Tebow out of it and this is very similar to well...the offense we ran in 2010. Were are just taking it another step now and I couldnt be happier about it.
