After watching this team for the last twenty years, I've seen this team go from bottom to the top to the middle, then fall their way to the bottom again. And then do it all over! What is keeping this team from winning the big one? What more than anything is needed: Better coaching, Better draft philosophy, a better GM? Obviously, better players. What are your opinions? And don't worry, we could be worse off. Look at the Yankees.
A true franchise QB. Would have probably won 2 superbowls with a top 5 QB in the past 5 years Ryan has been here
Obviously a franchise QB but it goes deeper than that. They need to shred the "loser" or "little brother" complex that just always seems to show it's head. The impatient fan base doesn't help either. Essentially we're doomed forever.
A true franchise QB? Who was the last All Pro QB the Jets drafted? A true playmaking threat? Who was the last serious home run hitter the Jets have had? Walker? They have drafted well but haven't gotten lucky on a random 4th round pick or undrafted free agent that turns into a monster. Amazing how the elite teams all have a story about some guy that was undrafted that turns into an elite player. Jets never seem to have those guys. The Jets have been well rounded teams on the field, but the only time the Jets have had a team that scared people since 1990 was 1998. Good teams yes, but not teams that caused other coaches to stay up at night.
A consistent lack of investment on the offensive side of the ball. We don't have anybody that I wold consider a top level NFL weapon, truth is we haven't since CMart. This consistent lack of investment and middling revolving talent make it impossible for us to develop a QB. Until this organization figures this out, we will have the yo-yo you described.
So what you guys are saying is a lack of a quality QB and a lack of a sound draft philosophy, primarily offensive players.
Draft philosophy has been decent...they have picked solid players - they have focused on the fatties on both sides. Stephen Hill is developing nicely but they don't use his speed to stretch the field enough.
well last week they lost that ,dont take long to bring it back ,as for the fans being impatient are u having a fucking larf the shyte we have endured over the years ,tonights performance in the top 5 worse efforts ever ,there have been a few over the years so hard to sort the real contenders ..
Agreed the "Jets" by name are not taken seriously Rebranding the team for example would help shed the label We have a 40+ year history of shit decision making on and off he field Woody should do what we done when the Titans became the Jets Rebrand the team and truly start fresh
You would think that after 40 years of musical chairs with the QB position on this team, we would have been able to land a top 5 QB at least ONE of those times. The law of averages supports that notion. There's a reason the saying "Same ol' Jets" exists. We've been a notoriously badly managed team mixed in with a healthy dose of bad luck. The book on Geno is still too early to say if he will ever be top 5 in this league. Just know that for every QB this franchise chooses incorrectly, we are set back at LEAST 5 years (considering how long it would take to find another potential QB, and how long it would take to groom them to their peak).
A lack of patience. The jets haven't truly committed to any management regime. By changing out coaches and GM's so often there is no continuity. Different systems, different personalities etc. This stunts development. Obviously a franchise has to get rid of bad coaches here and there but not committing really kills a franchise. The good franchises have coach and gm combinations that have been around for a while, through good years and bad. Look at the giants committing to coughlin for an example, or the steelers sticking with cowher despite his inability to win a playoff game. All I hope from this season is that the Jets win enough games for Rex to keep his job. Otherwise it will be another step back.
Unless you have found that true franchise QB, conventional wisdom says you draft a QB every year and let them sit and learn. Jets haven't done that indeed. On top of that, Jets haven't done a real good job raising their draftees in the past. Jets DL of the late under the tutelage of Dunbar is, from my best recollection, the first time it was done in recent times. [Drafted group rising to the top of the league, I mean.] Admit it. Ryan-led coaching staff still needs better coaches all across the board, starting from OL, RB and WR coaches. I would still think BVG is not such a good option at LB coach either. And then, as of late, Jets have been giving their picks away like candies. Not a good way to build a contender. Lack of good coaches, and lack of decent prospects for depth, both hurt like hell. To have both? You had better pray some divine providence is on your way.
Agreed. Tanny clearly had to go, but to bring in a GM who doesn't chose his coach to me is a recipe for disaster. Then you draft a QB who if it doesn't work out in the next 2 years, may be left over in a regime with a new coach and new GM. Legitimately 3 different potential regime pieces are in our organization at once right now.
The problem with the Jets in the 00's is very different from the problems of earlier eras. The primary problem with the Jets of the 00's is quick fixes. The Jets have been on the edge of highly competitive for a decade plus now and past regimes have always thought they were one or two pieces away from a dominant run. In fact the Jets have been a solidly middle class team that occasionally broke through the ceiling or landed in the basement. Adding quick fixes to that usually props the team up a bit but it doesn't solve the overall structural problem that lead to the quick fix. Occasionally it undermines that structure and causes an unexpected collapse. This obsession with quick fixes dates back to the Parcells era. It has been exacerbated by a couple of streaky Lombardi runs by the crosstown rivals. What the Jets have right now, this season, is what you'd expect them to have coming off the year too long window with many quick fixes in the mix. This is the spike season where lots of problems are cleared away and the structure begins to be laid for the next big run. The problem is that this team somehow has won 3 out of 6 early and it's easy to get sucked into that and think the Jets are just one player, a Josh Gordon, away from being competitive. In fact the Jets are 3 or 4 players away from being competitive at this point. They need better OLB's, they need better safeties, they need better guards and they really need better WR's. They might even need a better QB but that's hard to figure out when you have so much interior pressure coming at Geno and so few reliable targets to throw too. In past years the Jets might have tried a quick fix or two and given up future considerations. Hopefully they stick with the plan instead. 2015 is the year we're looking at not 2013. It's painful to say that but 2011 and 2012 set this up and we either follow through on it or we're going to be back in 2011 and 2012 really soon, like in 2014 and 2015.
