I've asked this question a few times and got answers that pretty much were consistent. I figured it was time to ask the board about this possibility.. What if, Geno really isn't better than Sanchez and we're still looking for our "Franchise QB" going into 2014. What do we do then? Idzik seems to be all in on Geno and Rex is all in, tattoo and wife, on Sanchez. Can either man admit that their guy might not be THE GUY? If Sanchez beats out Geno, then we know what we're looking at for 2013. A rollercoaster ride with good throws surrounded by bad throws and questionable decision making defended by a lame duck coach. The GM sits and grins. If Geno beats out Sanchez, then we know we'll have a rookie QB starting against perhaps the roughest Defenses the AFC has to throw at him early in the season. Nevermind that he really has no stars aka: threats on offense and now even the much ballyhoo'd Ryan defense is starting to show warts due to injuries and inexperience. Although Mark may give us our best chance to win, we're talking at most: 6-8 games if we're lucky and 4-6 if our luck runs true to form. That may not put us in the TB sweepstakes but it will put us pretty high up on the draft board in 2014. What's under the radar so far is the conflict that's going on between Ryan and Idzik regarding the Qb choice. Idzik says it will be a group decision but you better believe that privately, Ryan doesn't buy into that and wanted final say over who his Qb will be. Idzik is backing Geno, Ryan is backing Sanchez. This is the other "competition" that isn't so obvious. Idzik is the boss and Ryan has to publically tow the company line but we all know why Ryan has kept his mouth relatively shut this season. If you get a tattoo of a player's jersey wrapped around your wife's naked body, don't try to tell me you're impartial. That's like spitting in my face and telling me its rain. Still drama around the Jets. Drama is better than a circus though.. Thoughts anyone?
*Gasps* Oh, but it's not possible, since Geno isn't Sanchez, he is clearly automatically better, right?
I doubt we get Teddy seeing as Oakland and Jacksonville are pretty bad too, but there are other good QB prospects out there. We win only 4 games and we are starting over completely especially for the CS.
I dont think that we can determine that Geno isnt the franchise QB if he doesnt initially beat out Sanchez. In this scenario, 2 things happen- a) Sanchez plays the entire season because he has played well and is a contributor to winning games. or b) Sanchez plays inconsistently like we are used to, and squanders his last chance to prove that he is "the guy". Geno is then sent in at some point during the season, most likely at least at the half way point. In situation A, Sanchez plays well and its Geno is still an unknown. We cant fault Geno for not beating out a 5th year vet who has finally put it all together. This scenario in my eyes is very very unlikely. In situation B, Geno plays at least half of the season and we get a glimpse at what he truly is. Here, its still hard to determine that he's not the answer at QB. The only way we move on and draft a QB next year IMO is if Sanchez bombs, and Geno truly sucks as well (which would directly lead us to a high draft position). If Geno shows some promise, then we go into the next offseason trying to build around him.
Don't forget how Kaepernick was stashed behind a questionable veteran starter to learn on the sidelines for a year and a half. Geno's career is far from over if he doesn't start Week 1
Things are pretty well set-up for Sanchez to handle the reigns early & Geno to get the nod at the first sign of trouble. The only way it plays out otherwise is if Geno sets the world on fire against NYG. That could be a possibility. Giants pass defense is relatively ho hum..especially considering Jets OL has already done a good job against 2 other 4 man fronts. If Geno has time...this skill group can get open on the Giants back 7. That said...Sanchez has outplayed Geno since about week 2 of camp onward. W. all the emphasis on "competition" what kind of message does it send if Geno gets the starting job at QB w/o truly ever earning it over the incumbent? Let Sanchez hang himself. It'll happen sooner or later.
If Geno can't even beat out Sanchez, then the path is rather clear; very, VERY clear. 1. You extend Sanchez for 2 years or 3. 2. You draft a QB in next year's draft. Probably a multiple, if there is a QB that fits the description. The likes of Blake Bortles can be had at 4th round or so, I think. [He comes from the tutelage of George O'Leary.] 3. Let Geno and the newly drafted QB grow while Sanchez takes the beating. 4. Build the rest of the team around in that 2-3 year window.
honestlyi just want to be entertained. no false hope, no expectations no nothing. i just want to see sanchez get sacked over and over and him throwing pick 6s from our own 5 yard line just for entertainment's sake.
The most likely scenario is that Geno does not beat Sanchez, but Sanchez plays poorly in a game, Geno gets a shot next game, and it's Geno's team from there. Now if Sanchez plays poor, Geno comes in and shows no promise to close out the season, then well that's a real problem. I see that possibility being really low. That means we still need a QB and have to use another pick on them. Luckily, we should have a bunch of picks where we can possibley address multiple problems in one draft. Anyways, I think the most likely scenario is Sanchez starts the season (the ankle really ended hope for Geno) and Geno takes over sometime in the season. If Mark keeps up these back breaking TOs it will give Rex/Idzik/MM an easy hook.
Well I wouldn't say that Geno is better than Sanchez, but I do indeed believe that Geno Smith is better than Sanchez. And this is coming from someone who's always pulled for Sanchez and still actually believe in the kid. I understand he was raw coming out of college. I understand he's had three different coordinators during his first five seasons. I understand his roster turnaround between his WR's, RB's, offensive lineman and even TE's on a yearly basis. I understand his situations that's been less than ideal. I understand how great Sanchez can become with some consistency but as of lately I've seen how shook he can become. I also remember how good Sanchez was (coming out) back in 2009 when compared to how talented Geno is coming out. We had to run the ball more than every other team while passing fewer than each and every team. Shotty Jr. was forced to hide Sanchez behind a run game and offensive line. Ryan was forced to protect a raw rookie quarterback with an over aggressive defense. That wouldn't be the case with a Geno Smith and Marty M. duo here in 2013. And regardless of which college QB started (Geno) and/or which college QB sat (Sanchez for the most part) it's all about experience while heading into the NFL. Sanchez gained three years of college experience while Smith gained four years of college experience. But Geno has that on field and X's and O's playbook execution type of experience in which Sanchez never did (coming out). But when I think about it, and think deep, Sanchez hasn't shown too much (overall) progress from 2009-2010 to 2011-2012. He should've been further along heading into year number five. Geno Smith on the other hand, Rookie or not, is hands down more gifted/talented along with being experienced here in 2013 when compared to Sanchez as a raw rookie back in 2009. Can't really consider Geno Smith a raw rookie. And I can not image how special Geno can be heading into year number 5 as a 4 year NFL starting quarterback. Let's take a closer look at Geno's four year college career in which consisted of 3 full seasons of starting experience followed by Sanchez' 3 years of college time with only one year of college starting experience while at USC. Geno: 988 completions / 1,465 attempts. A completion percentage of 67.4%. 11,662 passing yards. 98 throwing TD's/21 INT's. An overall college QB Rating of 153.5. Mark: 313 completions / 487 attempts. A completion percentage of 64.3%. 3,965 passing yards. 41 throwing TD's/16 INT's. An overall college QB Rating of 153.9. So as you can see, Geno Smith has so much more experience under Center when compared to Sanchez coming out heading into our 2009 season. In which we ended up making the AFC Championship game. Lastly, lets take a closer look at Geno's final year (senior season) when compared to Mark's final year (junior season). Geno: 369 completions / 518 attempts. A completion percentage of 71.2%. 4,205 passing yards. 42 throwing TD's/6 INT's. An overall QB rating of 163.9. Mark: 241 completions / 366 attempts. A completion percentage of 65.8%. 3, 207 passing yards. 41 throwing TD's/16 INT's. An overall QB rating of 164.6. Give me Geno Smith coming out when compared to Sanchez no question. I will always pull for Sanchez, I'll even understand if he gets the nod, but if Geno Smith shows out with a cannon of an arm, a down field attacking quarterback with accuracy against the Giants? Well then we need to go with the kid in my avatar with Sanchez as one of the most experienced backups around.
my question to the o.p. is, why is idzik all in on geno? geno is his horse in the race now but he is a 2nd round pick in the new g.m.'s first draft. he isn't chained to geno. saying that, if sanchez starts and keep us competitive than we won't be in position to draft a qb next year. if geno comes in because mark isn't getting it done and we are in position to draft a qb and we aren't sure if we have one in geno than we draft a qb. if in april we are wondering if we have a franchise qb we don't. if you think a qb is the next franchise you take him. we will have a pretty good idea whats what come draft time.
do many people on this board watch college football? because if so its pretty apparent geno isnt the long term answer any more than mark is
i would say the majority probably dont watch college football. for some reason people in this area just dont get into college football and pro football fans seem to be of hte ilk that if they are not the best they are not worth watching. i myself love college football and i saw alot of things in geno in college that scared me, however he is still better than sancho and the pro game is a different bird and maturity comes at different points for different guys.
I said Idzik was all in on Geno because if Geno fails, then every one of Idzik's initial personnel moves will have crashed and burned except for Ivory whom the jury is still out on. Idzik needs a win if for no other reason, to establish his credentials as a qualified judge of talent and best a quietly defiant and stubborn Rex Ryan who still is getting used to having his authority over all things usurped. That was the other "competition" I was referring to. The one between Idzik and Ryan over who the starting Qb will be and ultimately, who has final say over personnel matters. They may play nice in public, but don't think for a second all is sunny and warm at Jets HQ. Its just not as outfront as it used to be.
clearly not. because hes got "system qb" written all over him. he was the one guy going into the draft that i said hell no. and of course the jets took him. if he were the next RG3 he wouldnt have fallen to us that far thats for damn sure
I'm not an expert on QBR but those numbers look exceedingly high. According to http://brucey.net/nflab/statistics/qb_rating.html the QBR comes out as follows: 2012 Geno: 117.5 2008 Dirty: 112.6 Still very good #s for both and more realistic.
what if millner Richardson winters and bohannon all end up starting by the end of the year. ivory goes over 1000 yards. all possible if not probable I would say idzic would be batting over .500 at that point. the writers will grade his first season on geno. but that will be very short sighted considering its a 2nd round pick. I don't think the qb competition will settle some sort of tug of war between rex and idz. I just can't see it
Watch plenty of college football. Enough to know that tangible college production at the QB does not always tell the whole story Enough to know Geno played relatively successful football in more than 1 offensive system throughout his 4 years. Also know that he has the arm/touch to make every single throw & the smoothness in his drops to get into a very good rythym in a west coast offense. Even if he IS a system QB...he's well suited FOR this system. And NO I'm not comparing him to the following names(that's gotten me in enough trouble in another thread)..but they were also "system QB's" who were very successful in the WCO: Joe Montana,Jeff Garcia,& Donovan Mcnabb. So I'm not sure "System QB" is the right knock if you're looking to knock Geno down a peg. Inconsistent maybe alittle more up your alley
