We knew the truth but still

It was a lie?

It amazes me that someone can take an opinion piece written by a kid with four years experience clearly located within the "rumors" section of a half assed website based on a vague Tweet by another mope and use it to make such definitive decisions on what transpired.

The fact that anyone believes the principal owner of a corporation is meddling when they provide input into major decisions affecting the future of the company astounds. It's kind of like complaining about the CEO of Ford having input into what vehicles they make or the owner of a steak house suggesting to the chef they should not be selling Chinese food.

 

It's common sense.

Your boss can tell you It's entirely up to you but that doesn't make It so If the Boss also informs you of what they would like to see happen. You don't ignore that, you are going to be more prone to influence when the Owner Is insisting and asserting their belief and opinion on this team. The dude Isn't a football guru, he should shut the fuck up, write the checks, and stay In his lane.

 

You're missing the point. Some uncredentialed guy from some other amateur media source Tweets that Woody ordered the firing, adding no support. Now this kid from Fansite who covers the Jets and Ravens (what?) repeats the claim, offering no support. Are you trying to tell us that common sense dictates Woody Johnson ordered the firing? Are you saying that makes every report of Saleh coming to an agreement to break ties with LaFleur a lie?

The owner of the organization is not meddling if he discusses what is best for the future of the business just as the Ford CEO or steakhouse owner is not meddling in the examples I stated. If Johnson notified Saleh he expected changes in the offensive staff to be made (as he well should have) that does not mean he ordered the removal of LaFleur - where's the lie?

I take it you're self-employed or unemployed if you honestly believe the owner is out of "his lane" for overseeing his investment.

 

I agree with a great deal of you posts, but not this one.
Woody has every right and almost obligation to the fan base to try and put a winner out there.
While ultimately I do not know if Woody meddled, I would like to believe that Saleh and JD came to their senses because letting MLF OC another year would be negligence and malfeasance.
While I think JD has done some good things, he assembled a coaching staff that is over their head and completely lacked experience and drafted Wilson with the #2 pick when he could have pulled in a haul trading down.
As an owner why should you stay out of the way when the supposed football expert makes such outright awful decisions.

 

We'll see if Woody still has his meddlesome tendencies if Saleh brings in another unknown, unproven, inexperienced OC after MLF.

 

I think the elephant in the room is Wilson. His failure to develop meant that someone had to fall on the sword and it was MLF. I don't think he was such a bad coordinator as evidenced by the ability of QBs not named Wilson to move the ball. Maybe a message was being sent to JD and Saleh about fixing the QB situation.

 

Not everything is meddling though. Trying to force the organization to play guys who are inept is one thing.

Making a decision to fire a coach at the end of the year that drastically underperformed two years in a row is just running your business effectively.

Woody catches too much shit here sometimes. He sucks but when he blows his nose he’s not trying to screw the Jet fan over. Obviously there’s more revenue in making the playoffs so he wants to see that happen.

 

They can hire whomever they want as OC, it won't matter re Zach. . In my opinion, Zach Wilson is another Browning Nagle, and unlikely ever to get a second NFL contract. Nothing personal against Zach, he did not ask the jets to waste the 2nd pick on him. Saleh and Douglas can keep insisting Zach is something special, but the results are not there on the field. Good grief, the jets need to beat the Dolphins and Bills to be competitive in the division, and Zach is 0-4 (and looked terrible) against the non-playoff Patriots. Since Douglas won't move Zach, I hope they get an OC who puts Zach on the taxi squad permanently. Coach Zach up all you want, but IMO they are working with a guy (Zach) who doesn't have the skill set. You can't make a nuclear bomb without plutonium.

 

And that's exactly what he has done. And further he said he is willing to spend even more this off season for a QB. But even though he is not a football guru, he is the owner, and all owners, not just Woody, do have conversations with key people on their staff. And any owner, Woody or not, when they watched this season and how offense basically melted in the crunch time, when they talk to Saleh, they will bring it up. When you have year end meeting with key staff saying essentially that offense sucked - it's not meddling, it's just common sense. Now, if he told him specifically fire MILF or I will fire you, that may be different, but according to all of the credible reporting, including specific quotes on the subject from Woody, JD, and Saleh, this was Saleh's decision.

People don't like Woody, because he is the owner of a team, which hasn't made play-offs since 2010. That's completely understandable, but not everything he does needs to be heavily criticized. We are now saying the guy can't even talk to his staff and express so much as an opinion of what he thought about the season, which is an unreasonable position.

 

I think Woody has every right to have an opinion, which the article says he has and because of that he is meddling.

 

Woody signs the checks.. Woody is the owner. Woody gets to make the rules, set any mandate he wants, give orders that should be followed. If his employees can't abide by that simple rule, they need to be fired en masse.

 

Yes he’s the owner so has the right. That doesn’t mean as an owner he’s actually knowledgeable on football matters or that he makes the right decisions more often than not.

he’s a fucking moron, he was born into generational wealth and didn’t do shit to earn any of it.

and he’s proven over time that he has no fucking clue on football decisions. He’s made MANY terrible decisions in his hiring methods (Korn fucking Ferry?? Charley fucking Casserly?? John Idzik? Mike McCagnon? Todd Bowles? Adam Gase?). The guy is fucking clueless. Had he just polled this board and followed our consensus decisions this team would have been MUCH better off.

that’s why I don’t like him meddling AT ALL. He finally made a good hire in JD…let him run it and step the fuck off.

personally I think MLF was scapegoated….not that he was great at all, but I don’t think anyone could have won with Zach throwing the ball into the dirt half the time and with that piss poor OL. I love how so many excuses are being made for Zach….we didn’t develop him right blah blah blah and yet the blame is pointed to the guy who had open receivers all over the place except the QB couldn’t see them or hit them in stride more often than not.

not saying MLF was great, and the stats (you know I love my stats) back that up, but I probably would’ve given him one more year with a better OL coach, a real QB coach, and a real legitimate QB to replace the coddled shit storm that is Zach.

he was a rookie OC…we talk about developing a QB, how about developing an OC that has shown some potential when given a healthy QB in White and an OL playing actual starters.

But that’s just me…I can understand the firing, but if we’re moving on from MLF, we should be moving on from Zach too…he’s been 1000x worse.

 

No, you missed my point.

It's common sense to me that Woody influenced this decision. It's behind obvious. I don't care who's writing what, I can see from the responses, media reports, and just the ability to read people. Woody meddled In this.

It's my belief and I feel strongly about It. Regardless of what others are writing.

It's not a natural thing as a fan to see here and be okay with the head of the table being a moron at his job while millions of fans suffer for It.

Any "boss" would be out of work In just about any other job. Especially If you're a moron at what you do, which I believe while heartedly that Woody Johnson Is infact a fucking dunce when It comes to football and what it takes to be a winner.

I think he should sell for the fans. Fuck him.

As a fan, I don't give a fuck about his investment. As a fan, I don't give a fuck what he thinks. As a fan, I just wish he would shut the fuck up and write the checks.

All he will do is fuck things up by talking. Let the football guys do their jobs, take a seat, stfu, and write the check.

It's not hard.

 

Doesn't change the fact that Woody Is an idiot.

Why are we absolving Woody now as fans?

Shit is wild to me.

Whatever. Let's do 25 more years of losing In his time of life. Fuck it.

 

The offense could barely get a first down the final 3 games. They scored 0 touchdowns. Started 3 different QB's. Used 4 QB's. Same results. All failed to do anything. Awful.

I don't get how anyone can be upset with Woody if he pushed for this to happen. It is common sense.

The bigger issue is why wouldn't Saleh do this himself? You would think he would realize the offense isn't working with his pal. If he truly was fine rolling with LaFleur in 2023, that is an issue. Maybe Woody needs to evaluate if Saleh is the right guy to make decisions for his football team if he was satisfied with his offense in 2022.

 

This is just based on your belief that MLF wasn't a good coach. So, of course, this is going to align In this way for you.

My argument. Which is pretty fucking good I think.

Is we've seen this dance before from Woody. He gets involved too much and listens to fan pressure too much. Then we are rebuilding again because of It.

He Is not a football guru and I don't care that he owns the team. We can do the technicalities all day but as a fan, who has paid money towards this team, I have a fucking right to voice my opinion about how shitty of an owner he Is.

He has every right to continue to meddle and fuck this team up and essentially fuck the fans over. He owns the team.

Doesn't make him a good owner. It doesn't mean he is right. It doesn't mean he shouldn't just shut the fuck up and write the checks. He should.

He doesn't have to but he should.

As far as coaches and staff goes. He doesn't know shit and to say he made the right choice and voicing his displeasure and influencing this type of decision Is the exact reason I believe this Is going to fail and we will be right back to square zero after next season.

The fanbase doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about most the time either. Fan pressure is one thing, not being disciplined enough to make the right decisions despite fan pressure Is telling.

Fact Is.

He can do what he wants but he Is the worst owner In football currently.

All the proof I need on that Is to point to the factual reality that this team hasn't been to the playoffs In 12 years and that Is easily the longest by any current team In the NFL.

So, get behind the owner if you must, be happy he fires people every two years with no improvement for this team. Get excited we have our scapegoat now with MLF, I'm sure It'll turn out so good for us.

Can't wait.

 

Woody owns the team, so yes he’s within his rights to meddle. That doesn’t mean he should. He has zero football acumen beyond owning a team. He hired football people to run his football operation. If he feels they aren’t making the right decisions, hire better people to make those decisions. There is no world where Woody Johnson making football decisions is a positive turn of events. That goes for almost every owner of every sports franchise.

 

I’m not really sure what that last paragraph is supposed to mean. I’ve never been self employed and I’m not unemployed but I agree that sports owners for the most part should be seen and not heard. If you want to own a sports franchise there’s no reason to overrule the people you hired to do the job. It’s a hard enough job for people who grew up in and around the game, let alone trust fund babies who like their toys.
Honestly this whole post screams boomer mentality from the knocking of bloggers to the defense of a billionaire idiot. You post on a message board that is partly a jets blog.

 

My hope is they bring in a OC with experience/clout that can be brutally honest during the interview process with their perception of Zach. This person has no ties to the pick whatsoever, a young guy with little experience is probably going to be in the 'say whatever, to get hired' mindset...