Can't count how many times we had 3rd and 2 or less, 2nd and 1, 2nd or 3rd and goal from the 3 yardline in and tebow is standing their on the sidelines. It would be one thing if we were able to smash it into the endzone with greene or powell on a regular basis, but that isnt the case at all. Tebow's biggest strength is short yardage. you saw it in denver. something like 8 of 9 on the goaline from 3 yards in and excellent in short yardage overall. you saw it on the punt fake.. not a huge hole, but he was able to get those yards. instead, we use him in random wildcat/read option plays on second down, never let him throw, and put mark back on the field in 3rd and long more often then not. I'm a tebow supporter, because i think he can help, but second and long is the last down i want to see him on the field for. I do like when they bring him in at FB or TE. if we get them in a sub package with mark under center, all the better. tebow was even open a couple times..although the one time they did throw to him it was ugly i think he is capable of making that play in the future. if tebow is going to be on this team, and he isnt your QB, then why in the world arent you using him in short yardage? why have him here at all?
I don't know why he is on this team if he's not gonna get the ball 1st and Goal at the 1 yard line. PSLs baby and back pages!!
I think the CS has no idea how to use Tebow effectively. Of course I didn't think the Jets should have gotten Tebow in the first place, so I am not surprised by the results so far. Still, any question that the CS would come up with something, some way to use him productively, has been reasonably cleared up by now. They have had no reason to hold back, like all the excuses in the pre-season, now that they are 3 games into the regular season, so we can shitcan that excuse. The CS does not use him productively because they don't know how to. THAT much is clear by now.
right, i guess my question is...why dont they know how to? there are what 19 games he started and another half dozen he played in from the broncos to go by. its pretty obvious that in short yardage, more times then not he is going to get you those tough yards and move the sticks. if you are willing to roll the dice on him getting 3 yards on 4th down, why not allow him to try it in other short yardage situations?
not arguing with you regarding the fake punt, just pointing out that from what I have read Tebow has the option to fake on every punt based on the coverage he is seeing. so really the coaches didn't really call to use him on the 4th and 3 he called his own number. Does not go against your original point, actually makes a stronger case
The OP is right, they don't know how to use him. And the fake punt helps illustrate his strengths -- design some direct snap plays where he can call the shot -- audible to which hole or which side he's going to hit. That's what makes it so hard to stop -- in addition to the numbers advantage when the quarterback is a runner, in addition to the quickness advantage when it's a direct snap dive (no ball exchange with handoff), the quarterback can stand there and survey the line and audible into the best run (or pass/trick play if the defense is right for it). If they're going to use him at all, they should start simple. Start with smash mouth and work backwards from there.
agree, use him like Urban did in his freshman year, need 2 yards or less have him run it up the gut and then get off the field, occasionaly on 2nd and two have him fake a run up the gut and take a shot deep
I wasn't able to watch the game due to being in Afghanistan, but everytime they were close to the goal line (gametracker on CBS), I was like..its Tebow time and nothing ever came to fruition. I think the coaches are keeping the "effective wildcat" a secret, even to themselves apparently. Maybe they'll figure it out, probably not. Play him the right way, convert him to an H-back, or don't play him at all. Better yet, release him or trade him if they can't figure out how to use him. If they use him right, he is a tremendous asset. If not, he's wasting Sanchez's snaps and it continues to look more and more like the Jets are serving up a few "Tebow plays" to keep the media intrigued.
He also played like shit himself. How do you not get rid of the ball when you're about to get sacked like that? Added extra yardage on several 3rd downs.
several 3rd downs? I thought he was in on 2 plays. one was a succesfull fake punt and the other was a 5 yard loss. Which other drives did he ruin?
there wasnt really a reciever to throw to. maybe he was out of the pocket and coudl ahve thrown it away, but tucking and running i wont blame him for, just cause he is capable of breaking those tackles. waiting for NFL rewind to ahve the game so i can see the overhead shot, but it looke dlike cumberland was the only option, and got kncoked down coming off the line.
Looked like it was a designed naked bootleg or *possibly* qb sweep(blocking says no though), but the TE didn't make it across the field. Should have thrown the ball away, was boneheaded.
At some point you've got to think they're going to wheel him out in short yardage, goalline and two point conversion situations. The conventional running game just sucks.
That play where he got sacked yesterday was a good one (design wise), but it got blown up by a defender coming in the backfield unblocked. Need a seal on the end there.
I agree, Tebow is a bruiser, we need to run him straight ahead and make the defense bring him down head on, stop with this lateral run crap that never works. Also, just let him throw one pass, even if its to throw the ball away or a screen pass, just so the defense believes its a possibility.
He's got Armed Forces Network Always watched my games if I wasn't working. The biggest thing is the time difference.
I wonder if they're not letting him go off because they don't want to give the media a story to try and push Sanchez out of the #1 spot. We saw what he did to us last year and what he did in the SEC in college, so we know he can play. I'm guessing they'll be more flexible on O with San Fran coming to town next week.
After watching the play on the all 22 angle, tebow is on a designed roll to the offenses left. the only receiver on the play is the tight end on an out route to that same side. he is bumped off the line and double covered in-and-outside from jumpstreet and is a non option. tebow is swarmed, he is outside the tackle box. a throw away out of bounds is a possible, but it is heavy traffic and even there a tip or something could have occured. instead he cuts back and tucks it, kinda slips a tackle but too much traffic and is down for the loss. the play looks like it is clearly designed for tim to either take off or go to the TE. the TE being completely removed as an option kind of killed it.
im not sure how boneheaded it was... he is a lefty, rolling left, with a ton of pressure off the edge. 3 guys right near him. we were in a goaline situation.. he tries to throw it away and it gets tipped thats a disaster. the best play might have been a throw away, but i wouldnt say it was boneheaded. especially when the coaching staff has probably drilled it into him to be safe
