What do you think, guys? Would that help raising a functional QB prospect for NFL? I know what a ludicrous and stupid idea this is - so you don't need to remind me of that. I am just curious as to how we can preserve this dying breed of thoroughbred QB prospect.
How about coaches actually coach these kids? How about the players take some responsibility to learn and get better and not decide that they have "made it" as soon as they enter the NFL?
Thanks for the laugh, guys. And last but not the least, flame away. I've asked for it. I should take what's coming.
You're bringing up an idea that I've thought of recently but in a much sillier way. I think NFL teams might start paying high profile colleges (under the table) to run pro style systems. There are a lot of things already in place in college that help the NFL with player development, I wouldn't be shocked if they started paying to get rid of the spread.
Stupid is as stupid does. =============================== Jokes aside, raising a functional QB breed is a dying art that needs some serious preservation effort.
The problem is, college coaches don't give a shit about the NFL. And the NFL does not give a shit about them. College coaches, if they want to stay employed, only care about winning, not developing players for someone else's job security. Spread offenses win in college so that's what college coaches are going to employ. It's easy. It's more incumbent on the QB to decide what he wants from college, to play now and win or go somewhere on the pipe dream that they are going to be developed properly for the NFL 4 years from now. Don't blame college coaches. _
Yep. Precisely. And no. I wasn't blaming the college coaches. I understand that they have every incentive to stay away from the long and arduous way of properly preparing the QB prospect. Spread option 1. takes much less time to become a master at, 2. doesn't require a world beater of a talent and 3. thus, consequently, works and gives result, and gives result fast. Unless NFL can give the college leagues sufficient incentive to stay away from the spread, college coaches WILL stay with it.
Exactly (I'll exclude Army because they suck) but Navy and Air Force have consistently won 8-10 games a year for a decade (with some down seasons) and I'm guessing Ken Nuimatalolo and Troy Calhoun could care less how many players they put in the NFL because despite running a system that pretty much died in the 70's they win with it. Navy has thrown 60 passes all year and run 472 times through 8 games Air Force has thrown a few more at 95 and rushed 562 times through 9 games. These 2 teams are a combined 13-4 on the season although Navy beat AFA head to head. I'm guessing their coaches won't lose any sleep knowing they won't put a QB in the NFL
Or teams could just not be stupid enough to draft read-option QB's thinking they'll win NFL championships because they beat college teams who have rosters consisting of 85% players who will never play another snap of meaningful football after they graduate.
Yep, the issue is far less about the type of QB, it's that NFL GMs aer drafting the winningest quarterbacks expecting success in the NFL, these types of QBs are NFL trash. They always have been, and always will, with a few obvious success exceptions, guy slike Michael Vick and rookie RG3 are rare option success stories and Tim Tebow struggles are far more likely. To win championships in the NFL you generally need a pocket passer with pocket awareness who can process information quickly. Brady and the Manning Brothers have won 7 and played in a combined 11 of the past 15 superbowls. Completely typical pocket passers with very little "special" athletic ability. Carr and Bridgewater are probably the best young QBs drafted in the past few seasons, neither of them are option QB's with insane athletic abilitiy, they're just pocket passers primarily and they're both playing rather well.
I think there are good prospects at smaller schools but none play at big time programs, some in bigger conferences but more like the 8-4 and 6-6 type teams. Everyone is saying Goff is a very high pick and I really like him but I'm not quite sure he's an elite QB. The issue is he'll go to a terrible team that is terrible for a reason like the Lions or Dolphins and he'll never really turn out to be a good pro. I like Gunner Kiel who has been banged up this season but he throws a lot of INTs. That being said he can make some fantastic throws. The guy I really like is Carson Wentz.... yeah who? He's the currently out for the season North Dakota State QB. NDSU runs a strange offense as he takes snaps from under center and also in the spread. He can run but he has a strong arm. He's got great size but I just think he has great upside. He's been well coached in college and I think he will be a starter in the NFL. he's probably a 2nd or 3rd rounder but I think he will be a guy to move up the draft boards during the senior bowl. I'd love to see the Jets draft him either late 1st round or in the 2nd round. I don't see him making it past the 2nd round unless he absolutely bombs during the combine but I think if things fall his way he will be the most successful (maybe not the best) QB in this draft.
It's going the other way. The NFL will be a Spread Option league soon enough. It's the older pocket passers that are mostly keeping it the way it is now. Just wait until one of the Spread option QB's wins a Super Bowl. Seachange at that point is my guess. Lots fewer concussions in a spread out offense once you ban the hits on defenseless receivers.
I disagree, NFL defenders and coaches for the most part have become excellent at shutting down option offenses for the most part. And league rules are encouraging more pure-passers than ever. This is a pocket passer and big play WR/TE driven league. Everything else comes second because big pass plays are $$$$ for the owners.
