There are several "We hate Chad Pennington" threads already, you've got the ... "Chad has a noodle arm, we need a guy that can make all the throws" thread "Chad wont lose you a game, we need a guy that will win games" thread "Kellen is the next great thing, Chad is done" thread "Chad is Satan and will take the entire stadium into a giant hellmouth" thread Now for those reasonable fans that wan't to discuss the real concerns of this team please feel free to come here and post... I'd like to start with D'Brick. I was not for nor against the Jets taking him with the 4th pick. Yeah I would have loved the trade up for Bush, but I realize that was not a realistic option. I didnt know much about him besides what I read. I can tell you from what I've seen in 1 season and 1 game I am not at all impressed. They say he will be securing that spot "for years to come" as a "franchise LT" ...to that I say "Oh, Crap, we're screwed". He better get bigger or nastier in a hurry. We could replace him with the giants RB Brandon Jacobs and you could barely tell the difference. Chad Pennington, Kellen Clemens, Next years #1 pick ... whoever will have a torn acl or damaged shoulder by week 3 of next season if the LT spot is not addressed quickly. Tell me, what is the answer ... we are locked into this kid big time. To those of you who say I am hitting the panic button on Dbrick too soon, you may be right but I am not questioning his ability to play the postition or learn the position or his drive for success, I am questioning his base physical attributes and his overall demenor ... too small...not nasty enough.
Brick was horrible on Sunday. It may be too soon to call him a bust, but he has to be more consistent. BTW I am tired of hearing about Kendall, Clarke actually played well, most of the pressure from the left side was Brick's fault.
not to hijack your thread, but i've been wanting to do this for a while. let's take the chad-supporters' stance on another player and see if it works. 1. When Brick plays, we win games. Brick started all of last year, as a rookie, and we won 10 games. 2. There's more to playing LT than just being big and nasty. Brick has quick feet and he's very intelligent, knows how to read the Defense and pick up blitzes. 3. He's still learning, as it's only his second year in the system and the NFL. 4. Brick gives us the best chance to win. He's our best option, and he's a winner. in all seriousness, i think it's too soon for a Ferguson verdict. he has plenty of time to get better and really grasp the position at the NFL level. could he be playing better as the #4 overall pick? sure. but it's not like he's playing badly. if he improves, he'll be one of the better LT's in the league because he's already pretty good.
lt are not great overnight, they take time to build. Its not like we took a well established o-line and plugged him in. Tackles are the hardest position on the o-line to excel at, because most of the time you are out there on an island..no offense to mangold (i love him) but if he gets beat there is usually help from the gaurd, if the tackle gets beatv inside he might have help but outside no help
i remember reading that the areas of expertise that brick had coming out of college (pass protection) is highly regarded, and kind of a "diamond in the rough" type of thing for a LT. I'm willing to give him more time. I really am trying to forget game 1 in terms of judging how the Jets will be this season. They played the much more talented Patriots and, did you guys hear, they cheated!?!!!
Aside from that one play where he almost got chad killed, he had a pretty good day. It was Adrian Clarke if i remember who had an absolute terrible game, in both run and pass blocking. Getting rid of Kendall, in the end, will be looked at as one of the biggest mistakes by this regime.
It is true that Dbrick could develope one day into a good left tackle. Hell, that day could be Sunday. But if you are basing it on what we've seen so far, it will likely not be tomorrow. I never inferred that left tackles had to be "just" big and nasty to be successful, but those tend to be part of the package. Nasty not so much as they get bigger. It's been a few games now since Dbrick took over the LT spot and I have yet to see any footage of him tossing anyone around like a rag doll. Quite frankly that is what I expect from a TOP 4 OVERALL pick at LT. I expected that kind of performance by the 2nd half of last season. What I am learning is that he just isnt that type of player and probably never will be. Once again, he is a top 4 overall pick playing like a 4-5th rounder. He's the 1st pick of the new regime and therefore will be given more opportunity than reasonable to prove himself over the next few years but as I have watched him play, I become less hopeful that he will come anywhere near him hype. Anthony Munoz, Tony Boselli, Orlando Pace he is not.
One thing I think we're missing, is that Brick is favoring the inside, trying to compensate for Clarke... Mangold is favoring that side too, and there's been a ton of pressure coming from between the C and RG, and outside the LT.....
That is HorseSh** , Mangold has his responsibilites and Dbrick has his , Nobody is compensating for the LG spot. Bottom Line is Ferguson at Number 4was probably a Mistake.
HorseShoe, who ever said anything about horseshoes...the line works as a unit and when a link in the chain is weak, the other links must pull double duty. Not ready to give up yet by a longshot, but Leinart/McNeill is looking like a pretty smart move right now.
I think it is fair to rip Brick because Marcus McNeill was drafted in the 2nd round and went to the pro bowl as a alternate last year. McNeill is a far better tackle IMHO. Brick has to justify why he was drafted 4th overall and he has yet to do that. When I look at Brick, I see Blair Thomas...
When I look at Brick, I see Blair Thomas. when you look at dbrick you should see drob. both #4. both not playing like #4. both causing us much difficulties. i mean, at #4, these guys should be mainstays of the lines for years, and yet drob is constantly mentioned as trade material in threads and dbrick will not be far behind at season end, at this rate. Nothing will kill a team faster than very high draft picks that turn out busts. I hope they both turn it around and play great, but i am very doubtful.
Suppose this is really dbrick-an average nfl lineman-nothing special. let me pose a question-what is worse...losing your #30 (or so) first draft pick, or having your #4 first draft pick,who is very expensive, be just average? In all seriousness, i can't make up my mind. I hope to never have to answer it anyway.
Classic ? you for got ?Brick is a warrior?the toughest man alive?. Personally, generally speaking ? I always thought the guy who didn?t get knocked out was tougher than the guy who got knocked out but was ?tough enough? to get up afterwards.
you mean d'bust...i would write it in capital but being the guy weighs what a TE weighs did not feel it would be appropriate to use CAPS.
Sorry But I Played O Line for 11 Years from Pop Warner through College - Mostly Guard but some time at Center and Tackle. Yes its a unit and unit that functions on trust that each Part pulls its weight , the minute anything enters your mind other than your own responsibilites you are done for. If D'bricks mindset is that could be his problem but its not because we saw the same crap last year with Kendall next to him. Right Now our Problems at Left Tackle are Worse than Left Guard (Because of whats already invested in LT). I am a Pennington Fan but at the Time I wanted to go for Leinart With that Pick , and although he hasnt shown it yet , I think that will go down as a huge mistake for us as he is a perennial Pro Bowl QB and Clemens will be a Journeyman backup at best.
Sorry guys, you're being way overly critical of Brick. For the majority of the game last sunday he played pretty well. Watch the entire first half over again... He was left on an island by himself in pass protection, and frankly stood up very well. It wasn't till the second half, and frankly one play when his play began to sink. The reason? We were down by 14, the D had their ear's pinned back and they started overload the left side w/ blitzes to try and take advantage of Clarke. Why do Jet fans always WANT to call their young players busts?
