This Guard went undrafted

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  1. DaBallhawk

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    It really makes no sense. Every team was all over him once the draft ended, so why didn't just one team spend a 7th rounder on him instead? Oh, right, because he said he doesn't want to be drafted late. That's how easy it is to scare teams off. Just draft the idiot, if he doesn't want to play he sits the year out, you take him off everyone elses roster for a year. And he wasn't going to sit out anyway. Teams are just dumb sometimes.
     
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    If we drafted him at the bottom of round two or the top of round three it would have been a good pick and he would have shown up to camp.

    Sure it was a risk but with his level of talent and the fact that we didn't have any evidence he had done anything wrong (just the knowledge that the police wanted to talk to him) it was a risk worth taking.

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    I would've taken him over Petty, that's just me though. I had a first round grade on this guy
     
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    Unless you had a first round grade on Petty why wouldn't you have taken Collins over him?
     
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    La'el Collins was the best offensive lineman in the draft. Off the field issues aside. If Washington took Leonard Williams, I would've taken Collins if not for his crazy ass issues and his agent.

    Petty's got the arm, I do like he can take snaps under center [to an extent]. I am still skeptical on him.
     
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    People can't 'know' he would have shown up to camp, that's just conjecture. And let's not forget he was still radioactive during the draft with the investigation into a double homicide ongoing. Some teams didn't want to use the pick because of potentially catastrophic PR, which is something we've had and have more than enough of. Everyone else got scared off too so I can't really blame the Jets for going along with the crowd. I mean I'm shocked nobody called his bluff since a 7th round pick is nothing to really give a flying fig about, but like I said there were other considerations. One being money since he could eventually make more as an UDFA as he would if he'd been tagged with a 4th-7th round pick, which is 'why' he was threatening an ultimatium.

    http://mmqb.si.com/2015/05/15/lael-collins-nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-murder-investigation

     
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    I think the upside with Petty is just too high. But I sure as hell would have drafted Collins over Jarvis Harrison. That's a joke. Nothing against Jarvis, he might become a decent Guard, but that just makes zero sense, to pick him over Collins.
     
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    To be 'sure' to have him in camp you would have had to take Collins over Devin Smith or Mauldin.
     
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    It wasn't radioactive though, the cops had cleared him, they said he wasn't involved. Now you can still somehow justify all that by saying well maybe he told somebody to do this and that, so he wasn't directly involved, but maybe still somehow in some weird way. But come on, at that point there was nothing that you could have went by where people could have criticized you for drafting him. Nothing. Teams were just scared. And really, if it's not OK to draft him, why is it ok to sign him as a free agent? That's so hypocrite. Everybody wanted him, lined up to get him after the draft.
     
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    Collins wasn't officially cleared till a day or two after the draft. And his ultimatium probably had more to do with him going undrafted than the actual charges, though it was certainly the reason he wasn't picked in the first three rounds.
     
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    What was he going to do? Sit another year? Who'd be stupid enough to do that? When has that ever happened that a guy just sits a year because he felt like he wasn't drafted where he expected to go? I would have handled it differently. Pick him in the 7th round and then give him your word that if he plays up to his potential he will get the contract he's looking for a year later. The one he would have gotten from getting drafted in the 1st round. The one he wouldn't even get by sitting a year. Of course he was going to show up, it's ridiculous.
     
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    Maudlin looks good but Collins will be amazing.
     
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    I would have drafted Collins easily in the 7th round, but what's done is done.
     
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    cba does not allow rookie contracts to be re-done after 1 year. i'm sure he had a line of credit set up to coast for year.
     
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    First off, Collins wasn't cleared until a few days after the draft. So yes, he was very much still involved in a double homicide case during the draft. That's radioactive. There's a reason every single team in the first round passed on him. And second. And third. And... you get it.

    Also what you're missing is the fact that Collins was able to sign a three-year fully guaranteed deal with Dallas. That's the entire reason he threatened not to show up to camp if he was drafted anywhere outside the first round. He doesn't get anything guaranteed and he certainly doesn't get as much money if he goes in the seventh round.

    Having said that, I would've rather taken a chance and called his bluff the seventh round over trading for that turd Zac Stacy.
     
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    Once again, the cops said he was NOT involved. That's it, that's all you need to know. If you're stupid enough as a GM to sit back and go "weeeeellll, I'm not 200% sure yet...let's wait another 4 months because WHOOOO knoooows?!" then that's what you deserve for your stupidty, you lose out on a potentially great player who was completely innocent. It doesn't even make any sense. Why would he say "don't draft me" when he's guilty? Who would sign him as a free agent? If he was guilty he would have not said a word or asked to be drafted hoping to get some money and have a contract before the legal issues come up.
     
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    What are you talking about? It's a literal fact that Collins wasn't cleared by the police until after the draft. His agent tried to get him out of the draft and into the supplemental draft where he would undoubtedly be taken in the first and would then earn first round pick money. But because he was draft eligible, he couldn't withdraw and then enter the supplemental draft. All of this happened before the police cleared him. Just think about what you're saying… If the police cleared him before the draft why did he fall out of it?

    And what you're doing with this post is basically saying you're smarter than 32 NFL general managers.
     
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    the cops did not clear him until after the draft. he asked not to be drafted after the 3rd round because he could make more signing an udfa 3 year all guranteed contract and being able to get a new deal in the 4th year than he could being drafted and signing a 4 year deal. his agents did a very good job of maximizing his earning potential after what had happened.
     

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