I just went through all the positions on both sides of the ball and I realized: We have "just" 4 needs! OFF: 2 x OT + C DEF: a real 3-4 DT (but maybe mangini wants to start robertson or Pope) In the best case we would fill all of those needs in the first 3 rounds with top players. But what about an O-line with 3 Rookies? Wouldn't it just fall apart? Anyway: Does anyone know a solid FA to fill one of those holes? What about Grady Jackson @ DT ?
waht abot Monsanto Pope for the NT. We have the ability to start only two rookies, grooming one behind Kendall - wherever he plays.
Uh...how about pass rusher (3-4 OLB)? Or...Defensive End (unless you think Von Oelhoffen is going to be a solid starter for the next several years even though he is 35) I personally think TE is a need for us...not as much now with Baker, but our other TEs are garbage and no one can convince me otherwise.
I agree. Unless the Jets are planning to take Ngota, I don't feel like they've filled their NT/DT need. I don't care home many 2nd stringers they sign as depth, they need a real player in their with real bulk, otherwise, they're defense doesn't work. Without a real NT... ...Vilma is neutralized again like last year, and the Jets will be gashed by the running game ...The QB can slide up in the pocket and no amount of DE pressure on the outside will make any difference ...Finally, your young secondary will be hung out to dry Unless they're planning to sign someone of stature, why not spend the money on Sam Adams?
Also, just because we have a starter in place, doesn't man we don't need a new player. For instance, we need a new Running Back, we need another Wide Receiver, we need another Linebacker or two for depth and we need a Corner Backwith some potential.
Oh yes because Jolley was the only offensive player that sucked next year. It nothing to do with the game of musical QB we were playing last year? And you could really tell Dreesen is garbage after being in the league one year and having barely any playing time last year.
That's how YOU define a NEED. I think we should just try to fill the "real" holes in first place. What you do with the rest of the money/picks is the next step. As Mangini said: non-emotional work.
OK. Nevermind depth which is a real need for the Jets. Let's start with the O-line. C, RT, LT (IMO Jones is not good enough). A OG to learn behind Kendall. And like I said that is not even talking about depth. On the D-line, NT and DE are needs. CB and S are needs. If you think that going into the season with only 3 CBs and 4 S is enough you are insane. It is one injury away from disaster. QB and RB are needs, while the position is filled, looking for the future at those positions is a need. Another WR is needed for depth. This team has alot more needs than 4 players.
he hit it all on the spot....id say 4 S is enough tho we just need 2 more CB's Mangini can juggle them both like he did last yr if it had to be done haha
Most defensive minded teams go into the season with 10 DBs (5 S and 5 CB). I guess you can get by with 9. I am not a fan of switching S and CBs. Safety is alot more difficult a position to play than most people think, you can't just stick anyone in there. And I was hesitant to include Washington in on the safety list. He just ok on ST and I think a total bust as a safety. Don't be surprised if he gets cut after June 1st.
I really feel like they are going to use the 4-3 as well, and agree that we need a bigger NT, but we have pouha. The coaches might be implying to play pouha on 1st down, with robertson on 2nd and pope on 3rd, if fourth pouha again. Maybe. Or not. We will be alright. Maybe 8-8, maybe better. Hopefully. Either way it's an improvement. I hope we draft mario williams, this kid is going to be something special, better than ferguson from a value's standpoint. Can ferguson stop mario williams consistently? Think about it. And any defensive player who put up good numbers on a tackle that is supposedly be in the same level, is something you can not pass on. Mario williams will dominate or best many OT's for many years to come, with the right coaching, and i really do think we have the right coaching for the job. If we take D'brickshaw, that will be considered good as well. Don't know if they are planning to sign a FA OT before the draft. Whatever, let's just have an excellent draft and that will trump everything.
Your right about swapping positions, but I dont think we should make S a priority. But I know what you mean. Has everyone forgot about Andre Maddox? is he still on the squad? I was amped when we drafted him, he's a physical toe tagger. Too bad bout his injury though, I wonder whats the 411 on his status with the team.
DREESEN WAS A ROOKIE!!!! He only played STs last year and a little at the end during garbage time. With that thinking half the league would have been replaced after their first year.
CB and TE are fairly weak areas. Also, with Kendall, Moore, and possibly Adrain Jones at guard we should look for help there as well.
I'm not saying he has to be replaced. But I'm not saying he is going to be our starter in the future. I actually liked him a lot coming out of the draft, but if one of the big 6 TEs are sitting there at a fortuitous spot in the draft, I'm not going to pass up on them because Dreesen may develop. He may develop into a pile of shit. I think we have a pretty good TE in Baker but I don't know if he is the answer. I don't think our team can rid ourselves of Doug Jolley fast enough, and Dearth is just wasting a roster spot. That leaves us with a pretty good TE and a rookie who has shown nothing to us. Also, the fact that our WRs suck also and there is very little depth behind them, I think only increases the need for a good tight end because there is no good Wide Receivers available. Anyone who doesn't think Tight End is a need is kidding themselves. Wake up and welcome to the 21st century. The Tight End plays a major role in almost every team's offense and we are sorely lacking any offensive playmakers, including the tight end position.
Need is an interesting word to use in this context. When talking about rebuilding the Jets need should be defined by a comparative goal against the other teams. If your goal is to field a power house team capable of competing for a SB the need is much greater than what the bare minimum is to field a team. We have an extremely weak team at several positions. We probably don't need anything to field a football team that can go out and lose every week. If we want a fighting chance to compete and probably lose every week we need at minimum a RT a center a guard and a DT and a LB. If we want to win we need to upgrade at QB, WR, TE, RB, DE, RT, Guard, Center,DT, CB and LB.
Needs (as in we won't win a game without) OC - Kendall is not the guy, we need him at LG RT - We have nobody to stick here OLB - If we're going 3-4, we have only 1 legit OLB who can get to the QB Upgrades (to make us serious contenders) NT - If Puoha wakes up this goes away as well Seriously, I think we need 4 legit starters to be contenders.
