The Derrick Mason effect

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  1. BakerMaker

    BakerMaker Well-Known Member

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    Jets are 3-0 ever since he left, and guys like Jeremy Kerley have stepped in and done 10x more than what Mason ever did with the team. Burress has been fed the ball far more, Holmes has even gotten more looks. Sanchez likewise has looked far more composed in these past 3 games and the numbers show it that he's been far more efficient with the ball.

    Even if they get nothing in compensation, this trade is what may have sparked a fuel towards this team and when you look back, this may be the defining trade that may have propelled this team to success.

    Makes you wonder just how bad this guy was to hold the team down like this.
     
  2. Burnz

    Burnz Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it was that serious. But ya defiantly couldve been the wake up call. But It is the middle of the year maybe were just in stride right now
     
  3. NYMagpies

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    One wonders wtf they saw in him in the first place....just one big mistake but glad he is gone
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Mason barely saw the field. It wasn't him.

    It's been Nick Mangold this whole time.

    He's the reason why the offense did shit on that road trip, why the defense was gassed and couldn't do anything in the 4th quarter, why the team couldn't get in rhythm at all.

    Since his return, they've looked much better. The Pats game was a moral victory on the team not looking pathetic anymore due to Mangold's return.

    Since then, this team has returned to last years ways of winning late and being a tough football team. They imposed their will on a division rival who has in fact gotten exponentially better. That's the Jets style of football I know under Rex Ryan.

    Mangold is the 2nd most important player on the team behind Sanchez.

    They're 0-3 when he doesn't start. The Jets are undefeated when Revis has missed a start.
     
  5. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    A slot WR that could be a trustworthy #3 look to get 1st downs and mentor Sanchez.

    But he got mouthy in the wrong ways and probably pissed a few people off, so he got traded. Good for the Jets making the move.

    Mason wasn't happy here to begin with. He was far from his family, he's 37, he's not a young guy anymore who sacrifices a lot for the team he's on.

    Both teams won out in the trade, Mason's on a winning team, and the Jets are doing better.
     
  6. BakerMaker

    BakerMaker Well-Known Member

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    Mangold is another good point but Kerley never got any work while under Mason in the depth chart and Kerley has been a huge 1st down converter for this team.

    Honestly, Burress looked lost from that JAX game to MIA game but the past 2 games, he's been an absolute stud.

    Sanchez I give you that because of the O-Line that he has more time to actually throw but it just seems like there is less ego at the WR spot where it seemed like every time Mark threw it to Mason that it was to try and satisfy him.
     
  7. 624

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    This. Revis is probably the 4th most important player after Sanchez, Mangold, and then Ferguson...despite being the best.



    There's no significant correlation between the loss of Mason and the Jets winning, it was just timely.





    Kerley has been impressive though and looks like he will be a long-term reliable 3rd down man for Sanchez. Can't wait until their chemistry improves.
     
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  8. Nilton

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    Gonna with Mangold and the o-line improving rather than Mason, but Kerley has played great and Plax as well.
     
  9. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    We should totes trade Derrick Mason every year.
     
  10. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is about right. If Revis wasn't historically great at this point he wouldn't rank that high. Cornerback is the least valuable position on the defense, albeit you have to have decent ones or you get intolerable leaks in the overall effort.
     
  11. MikeHoncho

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    I disagree that corner is the least important defensive position with the way teams are passing the ball these days in the NFL. Especially with this team and how Rex likes to operate his defense, corner is extremely important.
     
  12. Montana

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    Plus Motha Fucking Juan.
     
  13. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    Front 7 still take precedent, but the Ravens prove you don't need 3 #1 CBs to have a good defense.

    But you do need at least one above average to very good CB. Like Cris McAllister back in the day.
     
  14. Br4d

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    Look at the top defenses in the NFL and figure out who the cornerbacks are. You'll find lots of average to good CB's on great defenses.

    Now find the top cornerbacks in the NFL and you will find them scattered mainly on average to poor defenses. That explains the overall value of cornerbacks better than I could.
     
  15. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    I agree that cornerback is one of the less important positions, as opposed to guys who can get to the QB and secure the trenches.

    But that said, it all depends on the coaching. In Rex's scheme, cornerbacks have more responsibilities. A large part of that is because the cornerbacks are very good, so Rex uses that as the cornerstone and plays to their strengths.

    It doesn't hurt that the front 7 is pretty solid.

    Kerley seems to be an upgrade over Mason. Glad the Jets made the move to get him more playing time. But that's not the biggest reason for our success. Mangold is back, we have time to throw, and we have holes to run through.

    The emergence of Plaxico as a more consistent option has been more important than Kerley.
     
  16. SienaSaints

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    Thats retarded we do not have a great defense without Revis. He allows us to put pressure on the qb by being able to cover an entire side of the field by himself. Without Revis this defense is average.
     
  17. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    This team is undefeated when he misses time.

    Its been proven everyone else steps up and they don't show that he's a giant factor.
     
  18. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    Revis has missed three games against some god-awful teams. Not the greatest metric to measure his value to the defense.

    I'll agree an all-world CB isn't necessary to be a great defense, though. Look at the Steelers. How Ike Fucking Taylor has managed to keep a job this long is beyond me.
     
  19. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    True, but the secondary still did well.

    Even the 2nd half of the Pats game. They played very well.
     
  20. JetRizing89

    JetRizing89 Well-Known Member

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    it really has nothing to do with mason that said im glad that cancer is off the team
     

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