Jim Miller was talking about learning and installing an offense the other day, and it has slowly struck me something about the Jets and Kellen. Kellen is playing with an offense designed around Chad. The plays we have are designed to mazimize Chad's capabilities not Kellen's. Now certainly there are a lot of standard plays in the playbook, and there are some deeper routes and plays that we do not see very much, but the plays they are calling, even the more vertical ones are plays designed for Chad. At this point in the season it is too late to change the texture of the playbook to suit Kellen better. As Miller said it takes a couple mini-camps and training camp to do that. So in this part of the year all you can add are the 1 or 2 situational plays that you want, but really just do not have the time to really revise the playbook to suit Kellen better. We will see that next year. More seam routes and plays between the hashes. Deeper outs. More crossing patterns, and hopefully better running plays. For those calling for Kellen's head, just realize that the offensive scheme is really not tailored to Kellen yet. All the plays are built around a different QB with a different skill set.
I think the offense is what it is, regardless of the QB. The coaches came here with their system not knowing who would play QB. Clemens' struggles are for the same reasons Chad struggled, we don't block consistently and don't run consistently. Chad had success when the offense as a whole was better and I think the same will be true for Clemens if they pass protect and establish the running game better. Especially down in the red zone, that's why we kick so many FGs.
I think that was true of last year, but you have to think that knowing Chad was the starter in 2007, the offense installed during training camp played to Chad's strengths. I think that is why we saw less gadget plays in the first 8 weeks of the season. The coaching staff was confident Chad would be successful in an offense that was designed for (a power running game) and short to medium passes.
He is playing with Chad's playbook and he isn't do as good a job with it as Chad did and that's scary.
initially, that's what i thought. but then i realized that Chad's playbook is less about making good, strong throws, than it is about making good, quick decisions, making the right reads. for a second year (first year starting) QB, he shouldn't be able to make the decisions and reads as good as a vet like Chad.
They also knew Chad has been injury prone throughout his career and Clemens has been in this offense from day one also. So I find it hard to believe that they would be in the second year of the system and put a guy in the game without having him ready to run an offense he can run. It's not like Chad is Brett Favre and you can just pencil him in every week for years. Like I said, I don't think Clemens' problem is the offense is for Chad or that he's too new, I don't buy that. I just think the Jets have been bad on offense overall all year and there is only so much the QB can do to be successful right now. I say that because we know Pennington is good, he's been to the playoffs three times with two different coaches and three different OCs. So if he struggled this year, it stands to reason that Clemens was going to struggle with the same team doing the same things. That's why I wouldn't give up on Clemens, I don't think QB has been our biggest problem this year. It has been part of the problem, but not nearly all of it.
Maybe, but it's these stats that bother me and they aren't based on quick thinking. His completion percentage is less then Chad's and his YPCs. If you can't complete 5 yard passes then what is he doing in there? Completion % Pennington - 67.2%, Clemens - 52.2% << That's significant YPCs Pennington - 6.93, Clemens - 6.31
Well, I hope this is the last time we see a fade into the corner of the end zone with a one shot deal (i.e., 4th down, 3rd down, 2-point conversion)
Very misleading stat. Clemens is throwing the ball downfield more so naturally his completion percentage will be lower and thus his YPC will be lower as well. A Chad checkdown that gains 3 yards was becoming the first option that opposing D's were defending.
How is Manning's, Brady's, etc completion percentage and YPA since they go down field quite a bit? Not comparing KC with those guys just point out the flaw in your logic and another KC excuse.
If the offense was designed around Chad, why did we throw more outs than most teams with a QB that doesn't have a strong arm? If that is the plays Schott designed for Chad, then he should be fired.
but in a way you are comparing KC to those guys because if Brady or Manning has the same chances to throw the passes that KC throws in this Offense, they probably complete more, giving them a better percentage. it has to be a combination of things: inexperienced QB, lack of an ideal playbook for that QB, poor running game, battered WR's, stupid predictable playcalling, and first and foremost, a terrible OL.
You have the stat wrong that isn't YPC that's YPA. Chad has thrown 128 completions for 1316 Yards that's 10.28 yards per completion. Clemens YPC is 12.09. Chad has a higher YPA because he completes a higher % of passes per attempt
Ummm...Do you proof read this stuff, before you hit post???? He has completed 15% less passes, but yet only averages a half yard less per ATTEMPT (not completion) In fact Clemens averages two yards more per completion. (12 vs..10) Going one step further, you cannot make a fair comparison of Completion percentage, or most of the stats, until he's had a chance to work with the two starting Wr's in tandem....(and healthy)
2 wins vs 1 win. I'll take that as a better job. He alos has a chance to get better. Chad, as much of a warrior as he is, has been hampered by to many injurys and has little left in the tank physically.
Good thing you guys derailed the thread on the playbook issue and came back to making excuses why Chad sucks and why Clemens is great.
P.S... considering about 35 throws a game, that completion percentage difference works out to 2 or 3 completions a game...... Had the three 20 yard balls clemens put up been caught in sundays game, 2 things would have happened. We would have won, and his percentage would have been the same as chad's but his ypa would have been 1.5 yards higher...
this post is utter BS. If you want to make excuses for Kellens TD/INT ratio at least blame it on the Oline and the pressure, sacks, and short amount of time that our QBs have to make a decision. Even the fact that he needs maybe some more games to gel with his team, or that the WS are hurt etc.. But this excuse for Kellens less than spectacular performance in every game he has started is BS. Sorry, not buying that. So far, the few vertical tosses completed up the field simply have not been worth the switch from Chad yet IMO.
