Was very enthused last night. Sanchez had rhythm. RT was not a turnstile. Best DL pass rush we've seen in ages. There's a path towards .500 or better. However, the root of our issues is painfully clear - we're a ground & point team that can't run the ball. Greene's vision is lacking. The OL is losing the LOS battle the majority of snaps. Hate saying it - we should have been giving McKnight a few snaps with the first team. Tannenbaum should be looking for a veteran who can step in as a starter. We know that Greene is a top notch 2nd back who will kill it when the defense is tired.
I've said it for over a month now, if Greene in our main guy, Sanchez with have more yards passing than Breese this year. :rofl2:
I don't think the running game is a problem. I think trying to run a 1960's running attack is the problem. Our running game is fine if we actually ran a 2012 pro offense that throws the ball all over the field and counters with an occassional run.
Only challenge with this is our organization has planned a ground and pound game to complement a dominant defense. Agree or not philosophically, it's our structure.
5 of the top 10 teams in rushing attempts made the playoffs last season. The W-L record of the 5 teams that made the playoffs was 52-28. 5 of the top 10 teams in passing attempts made the playoffs last season. The W-L record of the 5 teams that made the playoffs was 55-25. It's not all that simple to figure out what works in the NFL these days. The gaudy numbers the high-scoring offenses put up are hard to ignore but the overall records are still pretty balanced. The Super Bowl tends to be won by the lower-scoring offense and the one that is less capable of passing the ball at will.
There were some holes last night, like every game, that a quicker, more elusive RB would have gotten much more yards than Greene did. Im not a Grenee fan, never was. He doesnt see the hole oftern. Wwwhen he does, hes too slow to get through it. He makes NO ONE miss.
The Jets don't have a No. 1 or No. 2 running back. We drafted a 1st round top 5 QB, we have some capable WR and a 1st round pass catching TE if he isn't out for a long time. This teams personal on O is built to pass the ball.
Our O-Line isn't as good as it was in 2009, and Greene might not be as good as Thomas Jones was back then. It really is a shame because this defense looks like it might be on par with 09/10.
I think Greene is more the problem than the O-line. Our line is not great, but Greene has no ability to create. He hits the hole and that's it. He runs a lot like Thomas Jones. Greene had a few flashes early in his career that made us all believers but he isn't much more than what we saw at the beginning. He's a gamer, but somewhat one dimensional. To me he is a back that would benefit in a true 2-back system. I figured he'd consistently win the one on one battles with LBs and get that extra yard but he doesn't win those battles. Maybe with safeties he does, but you rarely see anyone bigger than him slide off him or have to drag him down. Curtis Martin used to see a LB squared up in the hole and find a way to turn his shoulders and fall forward, but Greene doesn't do that....most good RBs do. Greene just kinda hits the guy and gets tackled.
The offense is what it is. Ground & pound is about patience. Wear the defense down w/ the power game till the lanes open up come the 4th quarter. Accept it for what it is. It's not always gonna be pretty...and if the defense has a bad week, we aren't gonna win many track meets..but slowly but surely defense's will wear down & by the 4th qtr you'll see the big plays. Go watch tape from 2009...That's what the Jets were all about.
add in some Tebow in the 4th QTR too...With this formula, the games this year will take about 1HR 25mins to watch!
The O is not what it is and when the coaching staff finally lets go of ground and pound this team might have something. We have A big speed wide out, a game breaker as a wide out and a potentially nice slot reciever. We have mediocre to bad running backs and 2 pass catching TE and a QB in his 4th year. The personal on this O is not in any way shape or form made to pound the ball. This O has pass it around all day long written all over the personal. Other then Moore we don't even have an OL designed to run the ball.
I love the strategy. It is methodical and it's true, old fashioned, rough, tough football. The problem is: when we go 3 and out because we took a 2 yard loss and 2nd and 7 and then Mark checked down to Keller for 7 yards on 3rd down, we'll be punting from our 20ish and giving teams possession around mid-field. Fans are acting like the Jets D is so good that they will just hold the fort until we score. That's just not the realistic. I think we'll get to the QB better this year but there is no guarantee our coverage in the slot is going to be any better. Kyle Wilson will continue to be up and down and Bell/Landry are known as run supporters, not coverage guys. So we're still going to be dealing with the Gronk/Welker type combos that have killed us for the last few years.
Completely agree. Greene has no ability to cut back and make a play when the hole is closing. He tries to run through people and not around them. He was putrid last night, but his yards per carry looks decent, because he had a couple of runs through gaping holes. Powell has potential, but he seems to be Greene 2.0. I'm surprised McKnight isn't getting more carries. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the course of the season. I just don't see Greene as the starter come December.
