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  1. DOOM

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    Mangini promises complete evaluation of Jets
    Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 8:10 am EDT
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2007/10/24/2007-10-

    New York Jets coach Eric Mangini called for a top-to-bottom evaluation of the organization. Here are some of the moves he may be planning.

    Bench Chad Pennington. He's still a capable quarterback, who'd be perfect for the Minnesota Vikings next season. Demote defensive coordinator Bob Sutton. The defense is getting killed on first down (5.97 yards per play, 13th in the AFC), and that's usually a sign of being outsmarted. Bench LG Adrien Clarke. The Jets tried to replace him before the trading deadline, a tacit admission that they blew it by trading Pete Kendall.

    Increasing LB David Harris' role. Used mostly in the nickel package, the rookie deserves a job in the base defense. He adds a physical presence in the running game. Adios, Eric Barton. Allow Darrelle Revis return punts. Leon Washington is terrific on kickoff returns, but he isn't the same threat on punts.
     
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    Cimini has the right idea. I am tired of our incompetence which has cost us a stellar evaluation of our staff and players. This year there has been more growing pains for Mangini IMHO. Mangini it's your move.
     
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    Bingo.

    Too much talent on this roster. A few tweaks, beefing up both the OL and DL and we are a 10-6 team. A QB with both smarts AND an elite arm will tear apart a lot of defenses simply because we have two excellent WR's, a pass catching threat at TE, a progressing pass protection.

    Some solid parts on defense include both Revis and Rhodes. Come on Mangni, time to step up to the plate and earn your paycheck.
     
  4. brothermoose

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    I would love to keep Penny around as a veteran backup for a reduced salary (look at all the teams scrambling for backups). Just because you don't want a guy starting doesn't mean you have to get rid of him (as long as his ego can handle it).

    Sutton Sux (read the sig).

    Clark has been serviceable, but if Bender can do better...let the man play.

    Barton seems more suited to the D than Vilma, and with recent diarrhea at the mouth, Vilma could find himself on the bench until we get a 2 for him this offseason.

    Revis is too valuable to put out there on special teams (not gonna happen, nor should it).

    Leon is fine at PRs, just finding a guy who can catch the ball and hold onto it a challenge in itself.
     
  5. Br4d

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    It won't matter at this point. Mangini is clearly not ready to coach at the NFL level. He had a ton of lucky breaks last year and squeaked into the playoffs against a weak schedule. No luck so far this year, although not much bad luck either and he's having trouble coaching his way out of a paper bag.

    This season and next tops and he's toast. No surprise, BTW, he really wasn't very good with the Patriots in any of the roles they assigned him and basically got by because Belichik is a genius and the rest of the staff tended to be quite good.
     
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    If thats the case then why was BB so unhappy to see him get away? If he wasn't any good then BB should have driven him to the airport to coach a division rival.
     
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    Nobody likes seeing somebody they pulled out of obscurity and nurtured going over to the enemy.

    Belichik would have given him a limo to the airport and a 21 gun salute if he went anywhere but the Jets.
     
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    As it turns out, the best thing that could have happened to the Patriots was the Jets hiring Mangina away...
     
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    And if he was so terrible, and BB is so smart, why make Mangini the DC? That makes no sense whatsoever.
     
  10. KSJets

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    It's amazing how fast people around here can turn on a player or coach.
     
  11. JohnnyJohnson

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    You guys are giving Mangini shit because of a bad year. That's fine, the average attention span is 2 weeks. Did you all honestly believe this year would be that much better than last year? Give it a rest already.
     
  12. JetBlue

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    not a bad year, a disasterously bad year. 5-11 is a bad year. 3 wins or less is an absolute disaster. huge difference. not many people thought they would be better than last year, but nobody expected it to be that much worse. give your excuses a rest, they just aren't applicable or even an honest evaluation of how people feel.
     
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    We're 7 games in. 7. Not 16.
     
  14. Br4d

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    Because Belichik makes most of the real defensive calls for the Pats. He always has, even when Romeo Crennel was DC for them. He makes most (if not all) of the adjustments at halftime also. What he wants is a pliable hard-working DC who he can dominate without causing friction.

    His relationship with Parcells when he was DC was always full of tension and conflict. He has gone way out of his way to avoid that since he became a head coach again, but he wants to pull most of the levers. Hence he tends to hire people who have worked for him before as a unit coach under him as DC or HC or people with no NFL experience to speak of.

    This is one of the reasons why Crennel and Mangini both preach hard work and repetition for their teams. That is what they were responsible for with their units on the Patriots. Belichik was the idea guy and the tactical wizard and they were the drillmasters. It's also why their 3-4's just blow chunks. you can drill all you want and without understanding the master plan you'll just wind up with tired, ineffective players.
     
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    I'm sorry that's just way too much conjecture for me.
     
  16. MSUJet85

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    Jets fans has an attention span of a Lima Bean
     
  17. JetBlue

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    the great thing about being a human being is that we have, at least some of us, the ability to evaluate current situations and project that to future outcomes. you see, I don't have to wait until I spend all of my money to know that I will be broke if I do so, and I don't have to wait 16 games to see that this team has played consistently in the first 7 games -- consistently bad -- to rationally and logically deduce that it will continue if the team is not changed somehow.

    just like Rich Kotite, I didn't need the 1-15 season to know the Jets were never going to be that much better than they had already shown after the 3-13 season prior.
     
  18. Br4d

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    Go back and look at the Parcells/Belichik relationship. Then look at what Crennel and Mangini say publicly, particularly about their defenses. Then look at how those defenses perform.

    It may seem like conjecture but it fits the facts in place.
     
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    Well you keep fondling your crystal balls and I'll let reality form itself.
     
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    Right and back before science the idea of a God being pissed off was the cause of a volcanoe eruption, it all seemed to fit.
     

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