Apologies for starting a new thread but as I spent a good 10 minutes looking into this I didn't want it to get instantly buried. I understand that Football is a team game etc but I just wanted to flag just how impressive Rex's performances have been given that the team has had to operate with QBs that have been at the bottom end of the ranking throughout his entire time with the team. No team playing with a comparable ranked QB has won more games than the Jets in any year since Rex has been here. I looked at the Jets from 2009 to now and looked at the Jets QB ranking for the year and took the closest four other QBs (2 above and 2 below to get an even spread - though in some years it wasn't possible to find 2 below!) and looked at how those teams did for the year compared to the Jets. 2009 Sanchez ranked at #29 and the Jets won 9 games The teams with the closest 4 ranked QBs won 2, 3, 5 and 6 games. 2010 Sanchez ranked at #27 and the Jets won 11 games The teams with the closest 4 ranked QBs won 6, 7, 7 and 7 games. 2011 Sanchez ranked at #23 and the Jets won 8 games The teams with the closest 4 ranked QBs won 4, 6, 7 and 7 games. 2012 Sanchez ranked at #31 and the Jets won 6 games The teams with the closest 4 ranked QBs won 2, 2, 5 and 6 games. 2013 Smith is currently ranked at #31 and the Jets have won 5 games The teams with the closest 4 ranked QBs won 2, 4, 4 and 4 games. It seems clear from this that without a good QB you are going to find it very difficult to win games and that no team has done a better job of overcoming that issue than the Jets under Rex. Sure he could do an even better job and has plenty of faults but you cannot deny that he gets a lot out of the team compared to those coaching in similar circumstances and I am certain that if given a QB operating at even an average level he would be capable of leading a team to great things.
because the FO failed to give the team a viable alternative? unless you are going to point to the top tier talent they had stashed away?
Yeah, I think my next question would be ..... which other shitty QB should he have put in? And please ... please ... do not say Tebow.
your wasting your time with that one. he can't understand that rex calling mark our best chance to win was an indictment of the roster not an endorsement for mark. good thread btw. i truly believe rex will win a super bowl if he ever gets a qb. either here or down the line in his career.
Damn skippy and Hallelujah!! That's the page I'm on...for cripes sake, if Rex Ryan had, for example, someone as barely above average as Andy Dalton he would be in Super Bowl discussions annually.
the Jets are essentially what the Ravens were when they had Kyle Boller as QB. A good team with a really bad offense that undermined the entire team.
Exactly. Look at all of our drafts...very defensive-heavy. I'm sure Rex has/had a huge part in making draft choices. Same with signing FA. If the Jets have such shitty QB play, he needs to figure out a way to work with the FO to address that. He's a great motivator and would make an awesome defensive coordinator. Being a Head Coach requires more.
please show any quotes or other evidence that shows rex has had a "huge" part in making draft choices. considering the new g.m.has no allegiance what so ever to rex and our 1st 2 picks were defense. the fact is rex is a good coach on par with sean payton,the harbaugh brothers,and mcarthy. the difference is they have got good to great qb play and rex has gotten nothing at that position.
That was exactly my thought as I read through the OP. I believe he had a huge hand in selecting one of them, but not sure about his input level on the second one. One of the things that is troubling to me about Rex and his handling of QB's, is the complete lack of a viable back-up since his tenure here started. I like what the Giants did with Eli. They let him sit for a bit behind Warner. Rex has made the same exact mistake with 2 rookie QB's. Granted, Garrard is a good guy, and I'm sure he can provide Geno with valuable insight, but his health is preventing him from getting on the field. Kind of hard to lead by example when you have to start ever teaching lesson with, "If I could get on the field this is what I'd do..."
/sarcasm on But it's all Ryan's fault, he's to blame for all the woes and he should be FIRED at the end of the season for the CIRCUS that he is. /sarcasm off I have been saying, time and again, what kind of a fantastic asset Rex Ryan is to this organization - obviously that fell on deaf ears, as I have witnessed countless outcries about how Jets should fire Ryan.
but that says more about the FO than it does about the coach - unless you are Bellicheck then your role and powers as a head coach have limits - he doesn't run the organization and has to work with the players he has available to him - sure he has input and can let the guys knows what he needs but he doesn't run the entire operation (pretty much no HC does) to be fair to the FO though - can you name me a single top to medium quality QB FA that has been available and affordable during the last 5 years and that would have been an obvious upgrade over Sanchez - so basically a top 20-ish QB? In fact look at the top 20 QBs over the last few years and try to find one that went to his new team via the open market as a FA (and that was affordable to a team like the Jets, so in other words, not Peyton) Every one (pretty much) of the top QBs was drafted by the team they play for - which is what the Jets have tried (and failed) to do - I don't blame them for trying its pretty mch the only way to do it - I just wish they had more luck and/or better evaluators
I want Rex extended. That said, the fact that we don't have an offense isn't entirely coincidental to Rex's being here. The QB rankings in the OP aren't coincidental either. You can't look at those numbers in a vacuum. They reflect the performance of the entire offense, and Rex's QB's/offenses are naturally hamstrung by his expenditures of resources on D. The number "7" or "10" QB in the league wouldn't have those rankings on the Jets.
You got that right...and we missed out on our "Trent Dilfer" when we passed on Alex Smith...just sayin'. Both prototypical game managers.
Just to add to this point about the lack of a quality back-up on the Jets - you also have to figure that given the Jets were hamstrung with Sanchez's rookie salary and the fact he was a top 5 pick you have to figure that would put any decent player off coming here who wanted to be a starter as they would know the chips would be stacked against them.
