I still remember when I first read the tweet that Josh Thomas, a POS who had no business being on an NFL roster, came out and said nobody engaged him and tried to coach him up when he was here (link to the article is here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...s-new-york-jets-their-hands-approach-coaching). I thought this guy had gone mad, and that he was being bitter about his release. Today though, I sat wondering if maybe there was some truth to what Josh Thomas said back then. There are a few things that have me thinking this way now Kyle Wilson - was developing nicely when he was able to train with Revis in the summer and was in the same film room. The past two years without Revis Kyle regressed badly. An engaged coach should have been able to reach Kyle in the same way and continue his development Dee Milliner - Dee only showed improvements in his game when Ed Reed joined the team midway through the year. There was an article about how he was sitting right next to Ed at every meeting and how Ed would explain everything to the rookie. The other thing that drove me nuts with him was that he would play 8-10 yards off the receiver instead of jamming them at the line like Cro would be doing on the other side. How nobody yanked Dee after one play is beyond me. Dexter McDougle - was quoted last week about how he got beat in the red zone because he lined up too far off the WR. Bowles went over, showed him the technique in the red zone and according to Dex it was "lockdown after." I don't recall too many articles about Rex, Thurman or McDonald being able to identify and communicate fixes like this. Marcus Williams - I paid a lot more attention to him last year because he was our only corner that looked like he belonged. He was athletic and got his hands on a lot of footballs. I noticed more than a few times though that he wouldn't be just 8-10 yards off but 12-14 yards, giving up the first down before the ball was even snapped. Williams was able to bail himself out more often than not because of his athleticism but he should have never been in this position. I truly feel today that the former CS was not engaged with the secondary. They had the luxury of having Darelle mask their shortcomings because he was going to be great regardless, and he also had that rare ability to elevate the play of everyone around him. After Darelle got shipped off we saw Cro crash down, a bunch of lost rookies, and a 1st round CB turn into a bust. Was wondering if anyone else felt the same way or would be able to disprove me and Josh Thomas FULL Disclaimer: I know its the new vogue to pile onto Rex and bash everything he did but I'm not trying to do that. I'm just pointing out what I think was a weakness in his staff. I think he will do well in Buffalo - he's a fantastic motivator and is one of the few guys that could will his team to a win. I knew it was time for a change here but I don't think any less of him even if he's on the other side.
I can find fault with Rex on plenty of things, but 2 of the guys that you mentioned weren't really on the field due to injuries all that much with Rex. The other being Kyle Wilson is a whole other story. Quite honestly, the dude needed a lot more than a few technique corrections from Rex. I have been a Jet fan since the late 70's and K-Dub might've been my least favorite Jet ever. My intention is not to derail this thread with my last comment, so I apologize in advance if things get side-tracked...
you listed a bunch of injury prone guys and scrubs.....You can coach up a guy all you want if he's a scrub he's a scrub.All the coaching in the world won't help Kyle Wilson turn his head and it won't keep Millner healthy.And we have never seen Mcdougle play an NFL down so how can we even judge him.And BTW for a million dollars I couldn't pick Marcus Williams picture out of a lineup
Not at all, I appreciate the input especially I'm watching this with A) Green-tinted glasses and B) my town is going ga-ga all over Vidal EFFING Hazelton. I see a lot of things that aren't there and probably miss just as many! Unfortunately Dee was healthy most of his first season - I know he missed a game and then was benched but healthy or not his performance was shit before Ed Reed arrived. I'm hoping that'll change this year he's my pick as a breakout candidate on defense. He looked like a legitimate NFL player last season I can see how my point about McDougle came across. I didn't mean to highlight the player but actually the conversation he had with the coach. Seemed like there wasn't too many stories like that around during the previous regime (again could be my Jets bias). For anyone interested here is the article: http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/art...Coaching/782eaea4-8fa6-4268-876e-539776ec8d38
Rex and his staff clearly didn't know how to coach up talent. That was their undoing. I think it may have been Pace in an article who said that when rex arrived there were more veterans on the team and they needed a coach like that rather than the drill sergeant mangini was. He said as the roster got younger, coach had a hard time adapting. It showed I think rex was more about his scheme then using what he had to it's strengths. Ie if you have a guy who's better in zone coverage, call more zone with him than press if you know he struggled with it. Sent from my VK700 using Tapatalk
I've heard/seen that often said to me it makes no f'n sense. How is a safety going to teach a CB how to play his position?
Oh ok so that staff didn't care about offense, special teams or the secondary? Just the front seven? Right. If that's the case it's incredible we won any games.
After the first year or two, I wondered about Rex's CS, not because I have any great knowledge of positional play and saw things that the Jets weren't doing, but it was just an overall poor level of performance from players that seemingly didn't improve much, and a lot of young players weren't developing. There was also the general lack of discipline and accountability.
While the two positions are different, both sit in the same DB meetings and hear techniques discussed, Reed spoke with the CBs on Baltimore and probably their position coaches, and I would imagine that there are certain things that he picked up from experience about certain "tells" receivers might have or how to better study film.
Allow me to toot my own on this one... Since day 1 I was pointing out Kyle flaws that NEVER got fixed..and I never saw any improvement. add to that how I destroyed our..ahem "QB coaches" and OC's who had ZERO clues on QB development.. THAT SAID: How do we know the players just didn't "get it"? Well, how are they fairing now... interesting.
The story of the Jets talent acquisitions since 2007 or so is that the defensively oriented head coach would get good players for the position he really knew. Mangini was the defensive backs coach for the Pats under Belichik (before DC) and wham we got Revis. Rex was the DL coach in Baltimore (before DC) and we got Wilkerson and Richardson in the draft and developed undrafted guys like Snacks and Devito into starters. The DB's under Mangini played above their potential because he knew DB's. The DL under Rex played above their potential because he knew DL like the back of his hand. The problem is that you don't win with DL and DB's if the head coach can't find a QB for his life.
This is a joke thread. All of a sudden a guy sitting around with to much time on his hands thinks Rex didn't coach up his players. It just sounds like another bashing Rex thread to me. How come you didn't throw in there how bad he coached up Revis?
Agreed--there has to be SOME talent there to begin with for a coach to extract, and with Wilson the cupboard has always been empty. In 1990 the jets drafted a QB in the 4th round named Troy Taylor, I think from California. He never developed into much and Bruce Coslet got critisism for not making Taylor into a starter--Some writer came to Coslet's defense by writing (about Taylor) "You can't make an atom bomb without uranium."
This has nothing to do with Rex. He doesn't know the first thing about coaching DB's. You can put this on Dennis Thurman who I think is a lousy DB coach / coordinator. He was lousy with the Ravens, he was lousy here, he's gonna be lousy with the Bills. That said, this Josh Thomas bum should at some point accept the fact that he's just a special teamer at best. I think he still has these wild fantasies of being a lockdown corner, somebody who just needs a little coaching before he breaks out. Wrong. You suck. There's a reason why you get cut every year. Cut by the Panthers, Seahawks, Jets, Lions, and now with the Vikings who will probably cut him in camp as well. Get the hint...
