Real Football scouting report : Jets DE

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  1. Martin&theJETS

    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    Shaun Ellis has the quickness to beat blockers off the snap, but also possesses the size and strength to overpower tight ends and offensive linemen. He has shown the ability to excel in either a 4-3, one-gap scheme, or as a two-gapper in a 3-4 alignment. Ellis is a sure tackler and shows great discipline in defending the run. He is not an elite pass rusher, but may be one of the most complete DE’s in the NFL. He has become a leader on the field and never gives up on the play.

    Kimo von Oelhoffen
    The 13-year veteran has the knowledge and experience of a coach, but also has the heart and desire of a young draft choice. He is a complete DE who shows good recognition on running plays and can quickly diagnose and make plays on screens and passes in the flat. But, von Oelhoffen is also a high-motor player with good initial quickness and the ability to shoot gaps and make plays in the backfield.

    Monsanto Pope
    Pope has a good combination of size, strength and quickness. He has a nose for the ball and possesses good change of direction skills, especially for a big man. Though he has never played in a 3-4 scheme in the NFL, he possesses ideal size to play DE as a two-gap player, but also has the ability to penetrate gaps and get to the QB.

    Trevor Johnson
    Johnson’s greatest asset is his speed. He uses it well in pass rush situations, and has the quickness off the snap to beat blockers and get to the QB. Johnson is a versatile player who can tackle in the open field and with some coaching has the ability to drop into coverage. He could also play some at OLB in the Jets new 3-4 defense.

    Titus Adams
    Adams is a solid run defender who can become a versatile lineman for the Jets. He played both DE and DT at Nebraska, has ideal size at 6-3, 303 to play DE in the 3-4, but also has the frame to add bulk and possibly make a move to DT in the future. Adams is tough, durable, and smart. He possesses good recognition skills, will seek out the ball and moves well laterally to defend the run. Adams has the strength and smarts to make a quick adjustment to the 3-4 defense.
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    I got this from www.newyorkjets.com
     
  2. silent scream

    silent scream Well-Known Member

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    This isn't a scouting report, this is the Jets website hyping their mediocore players.
     
  3. Martin&theJETS

    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    Ellis isnt mediocore.
     
  4. RapZiLLa54

    RapZiLLa54 New Member

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    He sure played like it last season.
     
  5. silent scream

    silent scream Well-Known Member

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    No, I would say that Ellis can be a very good DE and I have a lot of hope for him this season. Other than that this whole article reaks of a Rah-Rah fluff peice.
     
  6. DaBallhawk

    DaBallhawk Well-Known Member

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    We really need some depth at DE.
     
  7. rajensen088

    rajensen088 Banned

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    Real Football Services isn't a scouting outfit. You can't even find them on the internet. The question is how much are the Jets paying this PR firm to provide 'independant', 'unbiased' news for Jet fans.

    Here's a couple of their analytic reports:

    Here's how the Jets had the best draft in the history of the NFL:

    http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=682

    No team in the NFL has less QB problems than the Jets. We have four (count'em) four potential Pro Bowl QB's:

    http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/articles/show_article?article_id=729

    Any Jet fan that swallows this bilge thinks Eric Mangini was hired because of his work as a defensive coordinator for the Patriots last year.
     
  8. californiajet

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    yeah i was going to post this earlier. They just go down the depth chart and list the players strengths, most of which are exaggerated, and list no flaws at all. I also like how they took the time to make a highlight film of Trevor Johnson in TRAINING CAMP and a "highlight" of him gettin owned in the giants scrimmage. Besides the fact that he is too weak to play 4-3 end he will be thomas' backup or be cut this year.

    In all seriousness tho, check out Titus Adams' highlights. TWO interceptions and he looks really athletic for a 305 pounder. He looks like a poor mans Luis Castillo (chargers) to me, someone who could play 3-4 end and also provide a few snaps at NT. If he could provide a few snaps a game this year he and Pope would give some good depth behind Kimo and Ellis and he and Pope could compete for the starting role in a couple of years. I think if we picked up a guy like Seth Payne from Houston to provide some vet presense behind D-Rob at NT (hopefully to push Pouha too) then we could have some great competition and depth on the line. I'd be pretty happy with this rotation

    Ellis - D-Rob - Kimo
    Pope - Payne/Pouha - Adams
     
  9. KOZ

    KOZ Totally Addicted

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    Man- what a blow job. They make a guy like Adams, regarded as lazy for taking off plays, someone who other boards had projected as a FA pick, appear to be the 2nd coming of Christ.
     
  10. ButtleMan

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    When did Ellis show that he could excel as a 2-gapper in the 3-4?
     
  11. twinjetfan

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    I think he played DE in the 3-4 his rookie year under Al Groh, which he excelled in.
     
  12. ButtleMan

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    I thought they tried to put him at DT which is why BP wanted him to bulk up.
     
  13. twinjetfan

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    I'm not sure. I remember him being a DT, but I thought that was after his rookie season.
     
  14. ButtleMan

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    Herm came in after his rookie season and pretty much threw away the 3-4.
     
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    phubbadaman Well-Known Member

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    That was after his rookie season. Herman had that bright idea.
     
  16. twinjetfan

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    Yeah, I thought Ellis was a DT in Herm's 4-3 his first year, which was a bust. Then he was moved back to DE the following year. Let me look up his stats on NFL.com.
     
  17. AMJets

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    Ellis flourished as a DE in Groh's 3-4 in 2000, then in 2001 Herm had him bulk up and try to play DT in the 4-3 and it failed miserably.
     
  18. ButtleMan

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    Thats where my mistake was. It was Herm that had Ellis bulk up not BP.
     
  19. twinjetfan

    twinjetfan New Member

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    Here is his sacks:

    http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187387

    2000- 8.5 (I believe he was a DE in the 3-4)
    2001- 5 (I believe he was a DT in 4-3)
    2002- 4 (I think he might have been either DT or DE)
    2003- 12.5
    2004- 11
    2005- 2.5
     
  20. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Ellis had 8.5 sacks his rookie year as a DE in the 3-4. He looked really good that year, and Herm basically threw all that away with one of his 'genius' ideas by moving him to DT next year. I fully expect Ellis to return to his solid form in the 3-4. We still need a real NT though, I don't know if Robertson can anchor the 3-4.
     

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