Per Chris Mortenson and Todd Mcshay of ESPN, it seems they think that if Dorsey goes #2, then ATL will want Ryan but at a cheaper price...so they might consider trading down to any spot before 8 where Balitmore picks...the Jets would be perfect match, they could move up to three and grab McFadden/Gholston/Long...but no one know what they would have to give up...maybe D-Rob is involved or Chris Baker...dont know, but they did say that they Jets would probably be the ideal partner because of their spot and great interest in those three players, particularly Mcfadden...
I know Atlanta is in talks with the Giants for Shockey maybe they would be interested in Baker and a swap of 2nds dont think the pt system works but it does save them alot of money
And the ideal partner because they are exactly the kind of suckers who trade up in drafts based on recent history. From 1997 to 2000 the Jets went 38-26. Then in 2001 they traded up in the first round and their record since then is 53-59. In 2003 they traded up in the first round and their record since then is 34-46. In 2007 they traded up in the first round and went 4-12. Trading up is like eating cotton candy: tastes sooooo good when you do it and then almost instantly you have nothing to show for it. At least with a lollipop you get to suck on it for awhile. With cotton candy you just suck.
yea but come on they didnt lose because they traded up, your twisting those stats...take a look at this... Jets' draft classes, 2003-07 April 12, 2008 2003 1. DT Dewayne Robertson (1-4) 2. LB Victor Hobson (2-53) 3. FB B.J. Askew (3-85) 4. S Derek Pagel (5-140) 5. DT Matt Walters (5-150) 6. QB Brooks Bollinger (6-200) 7. OG Dave Yovanovits (7-237) 2004 1. LB Jonathan Vilma (1-12) 2. CB Derrick Strait (3-76) 3. WR Jerricho Cotchery (4-108) 4. OT Adrian Jones (4-132) 5. S Erik Coleman (5-143) 6. OT Marko Cavka (6-178) 7. LB Darrell McClover (7-213) 8. DE Trevor Johnson (7-234) 9. FB Derrick Ward (7-235) 10. S Rashad Washington (7-236) 2005 1. PK Mike Nugent (2-47) 2. CB-KR Justin Miller (2-57) 3. DT Sione Pouha (3-88) 4. S Kerry Rhodes (4-123) 5. S Andre Maddox (5-161) 6. RB Cedric Houston (6-182) 7. TE Joel Dressen (6-198) 8. WR Harry Williams Jr. (7-240) 2006 1. OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson (1-4) 2. C Nick Mangold (1-29) 3. QB Kellen Clemens (2-49) 4. LB Anthony Schlegel (3-76) 5. S Eric Smith (3-97) 6. WR Brad Smith (4-103) 7. RB Leon Washington (4-117) 8. TE Jason Pociask (5-150) 9. CB Drew Coleman (6-189) 10. DT Titus Adams (7-220) 2007 1. CB Darrelle Revis (1-14) 2. ILB David Harris (2-47) 3. OT Jacob Bender (6-177) 4. WR Chansi Stuckey (7-235) Still on roster during '07 season*: 22 Starters*: 9 Pro Bowlers: 2 When Eric Mangini was hired as Jets skipper prior to the 2006 season, he brought along a 3-4 scheme that stunted the growth of emerging talents Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson. Fans were thrilled with Mangini’s first draft, which promised to fortify the offensive trenches with the selection of two first-round O-linemen. They’ve disappointed thus far. However, the outstanding rookie campaigns of the two defenders the Jets traded up for in the 2007 draft show that, just maybe, Mangini has the ability to eyeball talent. this is proof...this is why I dont understand alot of you guys not wanting to trade for an elite player...when we have alot of picks, the bottom couple players are released before the season even starts...they do us no good...you should blame who makes these picks instead...BT instead of Ed Reed? come on........how about last year...your telling me you rather have gotten a CB half as good as Revis? how about David Harris?...where would we be now if we didnt trade up for him? teams sacrifice a couple of half-ass players for a great one...those teams win...we average keeping 3-4 CONTRIBUTING players every class...I thought last years draft was the way we should do it, 90% of the picks should have big roles...not wasting two of them and putting those players on the developemental squad...but what do I know that is the JETS draft history
I believe it's actually the Saints interested in Shockey. Either way, I don't see ANY situation that merits trading up in this draft. We have 6 picks. We need to look at trading down if the player we want isn't available, not moving up to get him.
Trading up was a huge part of losing, the other part was not resigning our own free agents when they came due. The 2003 draft started with the Jets on the 13 and the 22 after losing Laveranues Coles in free agency. That could really easily have been Ty Warren (to replace the guy getting suspended) and Eric Steinbach (to replace Randy Thomas who should never have been allowed to leave in the first place.) Instead the Jets put all their eggs (plus a 4th round pick) into the basket named Dewayne Robertson and we got to see the offensive and defensive lines collapse two seasons later and stay collapsed to this point.
that i cant argue with, i was thinkin more along of lines of this draft...not 2 #1's obviously but what would it take to move from 6 to 3? I wouldnt give up a number 2, maybe Baker or D-rob and a pick next year or somethin, but if the price is good-ok personally I would do it...especially for Mcfadden, a player like that doesnt come around often, I know its cliche but its true...
Maybe they'd want D-Rob, they apparently have DT as their #1 need (as evidenced by their strong desire for Dorsey), so maybe we could entice them into something like #6, D-Rob, and a 4th.
Trading up has little to do with the poor records you indicate there. Your really picking at straws and not good ones. You do not include any player movement in your "study" of trading up affecting the record. Nor to you account for the changing of coaching personal or strength of schedule. Your just bending the record facts to support a weak argument. Letting players walk and not bringing in any FA replacements would have a much larger impact on any season than trading up in the draft. Bradway letting Lineman walk and handing out huge contracts to skill players is the reason he was an awful GM. His draft record while trading up is also poor. The Jets got two starters in last years draft. Two high quality starters. Add to that the Thomas Jones deal and you have 3 starters. The draft record of adding 5 starters and a very good Kick returner/3rd down back so far is a good one.
In order to move up, this is what the Jets would have to give up: Falcons #3 (1825) Jets #6 (1635) Jets #102 (92) Jets #113 (68) Jets Chris Baker (30 - Equivelant of a 5th round pick, #153 overall) OR their 6th and 7th round picks as well... pretty much the entire draft except the 2nd round pick.
There is a point to be made to trading up continuously being a bad thing. But saying we traded up last year, and we finished 4-12 is completely irrelevant. 3 of the players who started (Jones, too), including 2 of our best defensive players, came from the draft. Plus, it usually takes a few years to see the rookie class come to fruition.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...08-04-22_seattle_pursuing_jeremy_shockey.html http://saints.nflnewsblog.com/?p=1312 but knowing this time of year it could be all smoke and mirrors He is now a Titan not a Seahawk http://www.nfl.com/players/algecrumpler/profile?id=CRU467810
I think the Falcons would be willing to trade down with us or the Pats on the cheap. Two of their biggest needs are DT & QB. Both Ellis & Ryan could likely be sitting for them at #6 or 7 & they could save millions on the contract. They're guaranteed to have at least 1 of those 2 guys left a few spots later, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them practically give the pick away for free.
anybody willing to just throw away baker in a trade is just sniffing glue. i cannot believe how some people want to make moves, just for the excitement of it all. exactly who are we going to get to replace baker? the guys got good hands, and is always on the field. look at a guy like shockey. always hurt, always causing problems, does'nt want to practice with his team in the off season. baker comes to play every game. it's not his fault we never use the guy. as for trading up, i'm all for it, but i'm not gonna just throw in guys, good players(baker), just so we can make a deal.
I agree to trade up all the time is not a wise course of action. I just did not like the way the stats on that argument were presented.
If Atlanta wants Ryan they won't move down because KC has all the more reason to trade down(with Baltimore) and pick up even more picks. If Atlanta moved to 5, they would just leave the opportunity to get jumped over again. If they want Ryan, they will take him.
