with throwing motion. why does that matter. Vince Young and Omar Jacobs have an unusual throwing motion but be real they are as accurate as any one in college football. Omar Jacobs is extremly accurate and has a powerful arm and so does Vince so correct me if I am wrong I think that throwing motion is not that important in determing a players performance it is all about skill at the position. The media is messing with people minds with the wonderlic, throwing motion, and size this size that. It is all about Skill and Vince demonstrated that all season. I say we pick up Faine from Cleveland, trade down to detroit and pick up V. Davis and a 40th pick. With the 29th pick take Lawson and with the 35th pick take Thomas Howard, take Whitworth with the 40th and with the first pick in the 3rd round take O'Callahan and take Jacobs with the next 3rd round pick.
We don't want or need Faine. He's not good. Why do you assume that Detriot would want to trade up? And we definetely are not drafting a TE in the first round under any circumstance.
now slow down for a sec. wo first off detroit wants mario williams next faine is more polished than Mangold third answer my damn question what is wrong with throwing motion
I think one of the main issues with a lower release is that you are more likely to have a pass batted down at the line of scrimmage. I don't think that a throwing motion has any effect on accuracy, it's just that a few more passes each year will be swatted away by defensive linemen. And in defense of Dreessen83, you yourself brought up the extra issues that he chose to address so it's hardly fair to get shirty with him...
I know there's a knock on Vince Young's release and how that may affect his draft stock. We have a guy named Philip Rivers who has a throwing motion much like Dan Marino here in SD, too. Side arm but powerful and accurate. Tim Dwight once said: "I really don't care much about it, as long as the ball is where it needs to be: in my hands." Don't let the release fool you... the release makes it even harder to defend against the minute it leaves the QB's hand which is bad for DB's. I'm excited to see Rivers in action this year.
first of all thanx for the input next please dont try to chastise me. I challanged his opinion and needed an answer to the question. Now as far is I am concern Throwing motion does not matter. So you rather have someone like cutler in place of someone like Vince based on the release. That is ridiculous. Vince is better than Cutler by far and should not even be compared to Vince's level of play. you said it best "minex..."
and with VY being 6'5" or something like that it won't be too big of a deal. The other problem with a throwing motion like young has is that when passes aren't on target, they tend to sail into the secondary makin them vulnerable to more interceptions.
1) Young's motion turns him into a 6'0" quarterback instead of a 6'4" or 6'5" quarterback he should be. 2) His throwing motion HURTS his accuracy. I do not think he's very accurate at all to be frank. A completion is nice, but in the NFL, the windows are MUCH smaller, and you need to hit the receiver on the correct side of his body if you want big plays.
Not when it's a short flicking motion like Vince Young's. If that's what you are getting at. If it's a longer motion then yes, it does matter
Of course throwing motion counts when grading a qb. I personally don't feel that an ackward throwing motion means bad accuracy, BUT there is 1 big disadvantage that occurs when you don't throw the ball properly. 1)Release Point - as many said before, throwing sidearm lowers the release point of the ball making it much easier to knock them down and even worse deflect them into the arms of a defender, a proper release greatly reduces this # of batted balls.
No, throwing mechanics make no difference at all as far as throwing a ball. Coaches even at the pee-wee level only stress it to make kids miserable. Come on. Of course mechanics matter. Throwing sidearm is great for accuracy, if you are only throwing for 10 yards a play. Further than that, all control goes out the window. Follow-through is what guides the ball to its target. Minexdy1013, not to flame you, so don't take any offense to this, but your QB situation is going to blow up in your organization's face. Maybe he will prove me wrong, but IMO, there is no way you will be more successful with Rivers than with Brees. Very foolish move IMO. As for Dan Marino, he didn't throw sidearm. He threw overhand, but with a snap in his elbow, rather than his wrist. As my father would so lovingly (well, not so lovingly) say, "He throws like a girl." Marino happened to have a very strong upper body, so it helped him put velocity behind his throws, otherwise, he never would have made it in the NFL. So if Marino's poor mechanics can be overcome, then VY's should be easy enough to overcome too, right? I don't think so. The biggest problem with sidearm motion is, as has already been mentioned, the fact that it drops the height of the QB. 2, or 3 inches in height can make or break a QB, imagine 4 to 6? It also goes back to something I keep trying to teach my son. When throwing a baseball, at the point of release, your forefinger should be pointing at your target. Granted, this doesn't normally occur within the course of actual gameplay, but the repetitive motion in practice teaches the muscle memory, which results in proper mechanics. So in all of that long-windedness, the answer, as far as I am concerned, is that yes, mechanics are a critical piece of the puzzle when talking about any player in any sport who is responsible for throwing a ball. Does this mean they cannot possibly be successful? Of course not, but it does hurt quite a bit.
As for throwing motion, nfl scouts want a player who throws overhand. Too many front 7 defensive players are 6'4" and they will get in his passing lanes and knock the ball down. Also and while this is wrong nfl scouts like a certain conformity, they don't do well with things that are different. And young is different, his throwing motion is odd and he doesn't seem very perceptive to changing it. With that being said he's a great talent I'm just not sure he's worth the risk. Where did you read that Detriot wants Mario Williams? Trades won't happen for weeks at this point, and teams haven't even finished their boards. Completing a trade like that is very difficult to come up with compensation that both sides would be happy with. Faine may be more polished, but that doesn't mean he's good or they wouldn't have given the bank to Lecharles Bently. I wouldn't give up anything higher then a 5th round pick for Faine. And Mangini and Romeo are probably close and if Romeo doesn't like Faine then I doubt Mangini would either.
I'm just responding to the question as it pertains to vince Young since I have not seen much of Jacobs. A sidearm delivery is not nearly as much of an issue as it may seem. Kosar had one, Rivers has one, so Vince can definately get by with it. The real issue that I see with Vince Young is his footwork upon the release of the ball. If you watch video closely, you will notice that Young's feet are both nearly directly under his shoulders with his hips wide open facing his target. He does this on short and intermediate passes. The result of this is the fact that there is little to no body strength going into his throw, just pure arm strength. What happens in this case is when his passes do miss, he will tend to get under the ball and sail it high. When a 10-15 yard pass sails high, it tends to sail right into the safeties hands. On longer throws he does step into it, but just barely. You'll notice that on release his feet are within 1 foot of each other. Again there is no body strength exerted into the throw, just pure arm strength. When you don't set your body and feet into a proper throwing position upon release your throws will tend to be erratic. In his case they will sail high. If you watch alot of his games you'll notice that he isn't nearly as accurate as some may lead on. He gets the ball in the vicinity of the WR, but he doesn't have the pinpoint accuracy to lead a receiver properly on slants and crossing routes, nor does he time the long ball perfectly to hit the receiver in stride. In college you can get away with that, but not in the NFL. Ylung might become a phenominal QB, but he is going to need alot of work to get there. Is he willing to wait that long, is the team that drafts him willing to wait that long, and is he willing to be open about changing some of the things he has been used to doing his whole life? That's really what it boils down to.
