Yesterday, in total anger, I fired a response to some members of this site that do nothing but write ?one line? negative comments about well, you name it. Worst yet, those posts are without what appears to be one ounce of football knowledge or common sense. You see senseless remarks about the character of Mangini?s team, KC sucks after one play where he got hurt, or even more pathetic, ?KC plays like Foley?, or the playbook is @#^ bad etc, etc. Typically we find nothing of substance behind the comments, and when someone provides constructive inputs, he/she also gets the trash comment in response. How pathetic. As a team, the Jets clearly have a way to go and some off-season moves are questionable, but to throw the baby with the bath water is insane. In my opinion we are building with the right pieces. Revis and Harris were two great acquisitions this year. (Revis is outstanding, played #81 like a blanket and yes it was well worth moving up for him.) The negative comments yesterday really took the cake. No denying we made mistakes and the game could have gone our way, but the team played aggressively, with character and guts against the best of the best and the weather while a factor was not an excuse for NE not to score. So give Mangini and the team some credit. Instead 90% of the posts did nothing but trash talk, from McCareins, to KC, to Mangini, to the game plan, to second guessing every move starting with the call on 4th and 2. Are we loosing objectivity here at the gangrene forum? The choices are simple: a) continue to listen to the many brainless ?nosiders? (darksiders without facts), that want to start over every year with a glamorous change; like a new running back, or head coach or QB, disregard the trenches, and then trash them if it does not pan out immediately or b) focus on those that bring facts and savvy commentaries and a ray of hope to this site. Unfortunately the more insightful members are seen less and less frequently perhaps because for every ounce of good inputs they have to read through mountain of BS. Stay the course Mangini, and hopefully ignore some of the comments on this site. Many here support you and the team and believe that if we continue on our road to beef up the OL and DL, add a small change here and there we are going to be great contenders in a couple of more years. Let us not get derailed again. We believe on the Jets future.
Not everyone wants to write a soliloquy after another gut wrenching loss. I go into every Sunday expecting a win, but I am not going to gloss over the sucky play on the field and from the sideline.
While this was said in similar threads I will not discount it. A large portion of what I have been reading lately except for what has been written about McCareins has been very, very knee-jerk.
What is wrong with venting? Knee jerk? How about jerking off the fans? This was suppose to be a transition year with a tougher schedule and the second year in the 3-4. We were sold crap and many of us bought it. Mangini looks over matched, period.
This echoes the point I was trying to make with my "What's wrong with everyone" thread. Expect to get kicked around a bit, but know that you're not alone.
Great thread... And great points. But can you use some Paragraphs?:wink: On Defesne we have some solid building blocks. Revis and Rhodes in the Secondary, plus through the FA and Draft we should add another talent Harris and Vilma as our 2 ILB's in the 3-4, and who knows? We may add T.Suggs in the offseason if the Ravens dont franchise him. D-Line needs work but Ellis is still a solid 3-4 DE if we can add a upgrade over D.Robertson for the NT position. On Offense we also have some building blocks. A Franchise LT in Fergsuon A Future Pro Bowl center in Mangold A solid #1 RB in Thomas Jones who can be very productive behind a better O-Line A RB in L.Washington who can make the big play in the flats at any given time WR's in Cotchery and Coles who can play with the best of em... Lets just hope Coles can get healthy in the offseason And a QB who is young, still learning and alot of Potential. Next year this Jets team has a chance to make things happen. I just pray we get D.McFadden
The fans (us) have become upset with the team in general. Earlier this season the defense and Pennington were the targets.Tannenbaum's handling of the OG position was another sore point. Now with another loss to the Pats in a game we could have won,frustration is driving the negativity on the boards. I for one am patiently awaiting the off season to fix what we need to fix and beat the Pats like a drum.:smile:
You had me the whole post until the last line. The worst thing we could possibly due is draft mcfadden. Whats the point of drafting a rb if you have no o-oline? Imagine what would have happenned if we took reggie bush instead of dbrick and mangold, we would be even much worse than we are now.
What happened to the re-building phase that this team is supposed to be currently going through? Who decided that this year was the year of our super bowl run? Did the weak schedule from last years playoff run blind some of you into thinking that we were a better team then we really are? Did the moves in last years offseason blow your minds into thinking that we had improved 10 fold from the 1st year under Mangini's watch? These are some serious questions because I recall that the Jets had a 2-3 year rebuilding plan in place.. Maybe I was mistaken? I just dont think it is honestly that bad. Sure there are flaws, and holes that need to be corrected. It takes time though. That is why they call it "re-building". Instead of strictly looking at the negatives with this team, how about you look at the positives that are developing with this team? It really is not that hard... The defense is finally starting to come together, and with a couple more pieces I could see this unit being very dominate. The offense has some weapons, and again, with a couple more pieces (O-Line specific) I can see this unit being very solid as well. We have been through worse.. So stop acting like these are the Kotite years being replayed all over again. It is not.
Why would we even think about getting a running back when we have Jones. My God, that why we waste so much time, it's another waste of talent we don't know what to do with.
I suggest 2 weeks, all expenses paid, with the Jets Flight Crew. Are you still a slight bit inebriated from yesterday; you seem out of character.
Yesterday stung bad, I don't know why, given the circumstances, but it definitely got my blood boiling.
I will say one thing positive that is rarely mentioned around here. A lot of seasoned coaches would have completely lost the support of the team by now in the same set of circumstances. Mangini has kept this thing together even as bad as it has been. That's worth something. Even the best Herm Kool-Aid in the world couldn't do that in 2005.
Oh stop being realistic. This is the Jets. We haven't won a title in over 30 years. We've waited long enough. We shouldn't have to be patient with a "rebuilding" process, it's been thirty years of rebuilding! Did it take the Pats years of work and an overhaul of personnel to develop into a Super Bowl contender? No! Belichick went in there, decreed that they would win, grabbed a sweatshirt out of the hamper, put it on, and the rest, as they say, is history. If the Jets don't win the Super Bowl next year, all the players should be cut, the entire coaching staff and front office should be fired, and Woody should sell the team to a group willing to move them back to NY.
I'm not a darksider...and I hate the people on this site that bash & bash one line idiot remarks in an effort to prove they are still 12 years old.... ...you make many valid statements in ou post, but I'm worried we D'ONT have a proven QB to have the next 10 yrs....I believe Chad could win a championship with the correct team around him, but obviously that is not our FO's plan....I'm not sold on KC...and it may be painful waiting to determine this.....
Pete Carroll wasn't a bad coach with the Patriots, and he didn't have a totally bad front office. The coach and front office just couldn't work together. The Patriots had a 'coach obeys the front office' mentality in the early 90s that drove the Tuna nuts and out of town. Belichick had one very bad year before he got either very good or very lucky in finding a franchise QB. The Patriots got very lucky to win it 2001, getting every break along the way from an unconscious player recovering a fumble against the Bills, to the Tuck Rule game. It wasn't as simple as putting on a sweater. Even if the Jets manage to find a solid owner / front office / coach trifecta, I wouldn't expect a turnaround from pretty bad to champion in 2 years. That happens in Hollywood movies far more often than on NFL playing fields, and Pete Carroll had not ruined the Patriots as badly as Herb had ruined the Jets. This doesn't mean I think the Jets owner / front office / coach combination is necessarily the combination you are looking for. It is just that if you don't give a team time to get the right players for their scheme, you will never get there. Which is OK with me, I guess.
We played the best team, most likely, in the history of the NFL at their home. We played a close game and could have won. Yet according to many fans, we need to fire all of our coaches and release all of our players. Something doesn't add up. At this point in the season, losses don't hurt anymore because we're out of the playoffs; not to mention they help our draft status. Look on the bright side: over the last 2 drafts, Tangini has drafted extremely well. D'brick (contrary to what many think, he is playing well. That includes run blocking also... go ahead, watch him run block.), Mangold, Leon Washington, Kellen Clemens, Revis, Harris. Our first 2 draft picks will most likely be studs that help our team (I think we end up taking Ghoulston and an offensive guard). We have not been players in free agency, and it has paid off. We have the second lowest team salary: which means we will be signing a big name this year or next. Quit whining, and look forward to the draft.
I was wondering if my sarcasm would be lost to someone. Sorry about that. My point was exactly yours. The Pats dynasty was not born overnight, it was built. But there are a lot of Jets fans that assume that we should be able to overhaul the entire team in one offseason, and win the Super Bowl the following season. It's about as ridiculous as it gets.
I think the issue is, maybe it was just me, but when we had Parcells and then he left I thought we would finally be a competitive team. We did have some alright years, but to drop like this again, just sucks.
