I wanted to see what you thought of this (best player available) style of drafting Tanny adopts when it comes to our picks. Clearly Rex wants to build a dominant defence but our picks especially this year have me thinking are the FO following any sort of blueprint for what we are trying to achieve by drafting players that fit our style or is it truly a case of lets accommodate the most talented player available regardless of whether he fits the system or not? Rex has used the excuse that he wanted bigger bodies on the D-line against both the bills,steelers and Miami and chose to go with more snaps for Devito over Coples and an ageing run stuffing LB core,meanwhile our number 1 and 3 picks are rotting on the sideline because they are not considered big enough bodies too assist us every down. So i am curious are Coples and Davies a true fit for this defence or are they here because they were the best football players available when the jets were on the clock. In my opinion they would of been better off trading down or selecting someone like Decastro but their has to be a strategy in place to say look firstly we are going to get back too having a dominant O-line. Moore is ageing and Slauson is average we have obvious RT issues so if we rebuild this o-line first it helps both Mark and the run game solve this and build on that. My point is can you ever have a true plan or direction selecting the best player available every time your on the clock because lets face it sometimes players bust because they just don't fit the system or style of play of a particular coach. Looking at the limited snaps for both Coples and Davies and the fact we lost Ganaway,Griffin,released and re-signed White nearly lost Allen,throwing money at cro which shows no faith in another 1st round pick in Wilson shows that Tanny is drafting hoping to hit the lottery. How can we ever be successful not drafting to a detailed plan that fits both our style and system rather then this best player available shit and trying to make square pegs fit round holes.
This is a good strategy for a team that sucks at every position (except cornerback), they could literally take the best overall player at any position and it would be filling a hole.
Problem in the licks don't play. Chandler jones and Ingram are both getting significant snaps on defense where copies doesn't fit. Davies was showing great leadership in camp now he can't play. Just disappointing that they draft guys to make an impact and they sit.
it bothers me because idk if our draft picks are sitting because they are playing poorly or if our CS is just stupid
coples played well this past week.he can play and should be an every down starter. i am slowly losing faith in this c.s.
From what Ive seen and read, Coples and Ellis are the best DLmen on the field when they are in, yet aging vets who provide no passrush and arent playing as expected vs the run (Pouha and Devito) are getting the majority of the snaps. They used Davis as a rush OLB Sunday, which idk why they would do that. He's good when blitzing up the middle or penetrating a gap. He's not going to beat a tackle 1 on 1. Thats why we draft Coples. Rex is supposed to be the defensive guru, but some of these decisions are questionable. The starting front 3 should be Mo, Ellis and Coples; they are simply the best players at the position now.
OLB OT RB whichever is best available out of those 3 positions. Not that it matters, we'll be drafting 32nd.
Because Rex is stubborn to a fault. The same reason why Devito and Puoha are getting more playing time over younger better players in Coples and Ellis. Also Greene over Powell and McKnight.
Coples' snap count went way up last week after Dixon was cut. Pouha has been one of the elite Nose Tackles in the NFL over the last two years. Were they supposed to bench him to start this season? And I haven't been impressed by Kenrick Ellis. He certainly hasn't shown enough yet to unseat Pouha. Our drafts over the last five years are starting to look pretty shitty, though.
I'm getting the feeling Rex heavily factors relationships when picking his starters. Young players are gonna have to wait until management (namely Tanny) gets rid of older players who Rex won't move to the bench.
BPA works now & it has worked in every era of football. It's a long-term solution though and requires patience because it's not ideal in the short-term. Sometimes you'll overlook the weakest position on your team to grab the best player & this can really hurt when you have game-breaking weaknesses. After a few good drafts, you wind up with depth at multiple positions. Jets have become a very top-heavy team when it comes to talent. At some positions they have the best or one of the best players in the league & they pay a lot of $$ for those players. However, the rest of the crew is just not so good. Revis/Mangold level players are great but you can only afford a few of these guys. To reach the "next level" a franchise needs solid contributors that are on cheap contracts. Which is why consistent winners on the field are also winners on draft day. For too many seasons, Jets have added only 2-3 players to the roster (who aren't necessarily good) & just plugged in a bunch of castoffs from elsewhere & now it's caught up to them. We're all looking at a roster with holes in so many places. It took multiple seasons to get this broken & it might take multiple seasons to get the problems fixed. ==== Another reason BPA works is because the overall depth it provides your roster gives your coach flexibility to implement different schemes. A team that consistently drafts well with BPA can implement Ground & Pound, West Coast, etc. Just some fine tuning provided via FA to an already deep roster.
Here's how best player available works Take a look at our roster and say to yourself how many serviceable players do you have at that position Lets look at ours QB- 0 RB- 1 FB- 1 WR- 2 TE- 0 LT- 1(set) LG- 1.5(set) C- 1(set) RG- 0 RT- .5(maybe upgrade) DE- 2(set) NT- 2(set) OLB- .5 ILB- 2.5(maybe upgrade) CB- 3 S- 2.5(maybe upgrade) So by this standard our needs in order go QB OLB TE OG WR RB OT S ILB CB depending on our draft position you then fill holes Top 5- with our needs we go QB, period Top 10- pass rusher Top 15- WR/O-Line Top 20- WR/O-Line Top 25- TE Top 32- BPA whatever position other than LT/C/CB 2nd Round/3rd Round- go BPA no matter what position(value>need) Rounds 4/5- Need based depending on who's available, good rounds for a RB and Dime CB Rounds 6/7- BPA again value>need Using this method in the 2012 Draft, lets say we had all our original picks. Our draft would have looked like Round 1- David DeCastro- Big Mauler at OG. Perfect for our scheme Round 2- Stephen Hill- Most likely would have still been available and filled the BPA strategy Round 3- Demario Davis- still the BPA because of his versatility at LB could have been a RB/TE but we went offense rounds 1 and 2 Round 4- Ladarius Green- TE big athletic, fills a need with Keller in a contract year and the NFL really valuing these type of players now Round 5- Jonathan Massaquoi- OLB/DE prospect we lacked, raw talent but again fills a need and great value Round 6- Markelle Martin- a highly touted safety prospect, best player available that also filled a need for us Round 6- Alfonzo Denard- great value as a future dime back Round 6- Bryce Brown- good value for a RB late in the draft Round 7- Nate Potter- solid Tackle Round 7- BJ Coleman- Raw QB prospect Round 7- Janzen Jackson- troubled safety prospect with tons of talent Round 7- Marc Tyler- physical RB prospect with good size and instincts thats how you run a draft when you got no talent and you dont cut these guys you mold them into players who fit in your system
BPA is good as long it is a QB when we pick in round 1. It won't matter what we pick if we still don't have a QB next year. It's a QB driven league and everybody has gotten that message except Tannenbaum..who hopefully won't be here next April anyway.
BPA works best when u have multiple holes to fill on both sides of the ball. it also works best if u have ur QB in place. going froward the jets SHOULD satisfy both requirements so we'll see. even though we are 2-2 i full expect the team not to win more than 5-6 games. that should translate into a top 10 pick. it appears these high picks will be in play more because of the new salary structure. this would be an opportune time for the jets to gather an extra pick or 2 early in the draft by sliding down the board a few spots and still taking the BPA approach. lets see where the chips fall, lets see what younger players turn out to be keepers this year, and take it from there. i do think the 2013 draft will be the offseason focal point as opposed to free agency which is probably a good thing.
I think the above posts are good answers to why the young players aren't starting. Some coaches like veterans and won't give younger players a chance, even if it's as obvious as a pimple on the end of your nose that the young guy is better. Dick Jauron was a coach like that. He wouldn't give younger players a real chance unless injuries forced him to do so. For these two posts, and NOT to be a troll, but "How's Sanchez working out for ya?" Sanchez is the classic example of how a team in need of a QB settles for a lesser prospect because of need rather than being patient. I'm suspicious that Miami may have also fallen into the same trap; I'm NOT at all sure that Tannehill will work out long term because his experience in college was so limited. As for the Bills, in 2004 they did pretty much what the Jets did in 2009: decided they had to have a QB in the first round, so they got him by trading back into first round to grab JP Losman, giving up their 2005 first, their 2004 second and fifth. If the Bills had been patient, they could have taken Matt Schaub with that 2nd rounder or they could have had -- and this makes me wince still -- Aaron Rodgers with that 2005 first rounder. BPA, along with keeping draft picks to use yourself, is the best strategy even when a team needs a QB. You don't pass on talent to take a lesser talent based on need. It will come back and bite you in the ass, especially at QB. Drafting a QB prospect in the first round doesn't make him a better prospect than he was.
agreed, the thing is though you either get that sure fire top notch prospect or get a late 1st or early 2nd Rounder to build around and develop them(Rodgers) or build the correct team to make them effective(Dalton/Flacco) at this point a lot of these young guys are coming out and are good passers and looking good without development. Sometimes its Luck(no pun intended) or just sucking so bad you get the top QB prospect
I checked into this thread to post my opinion and then found the second post in the thread said it all.
