One Portion of One Unit Cost the Jets this game

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  1. hazmat

    hazmat New Member

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    The Jets ran the ball extremely well.

    The Jets only gave up 13 points after turning it over 6 times. That's insane. The defense played as well as they possibly could have given the situation they were put in. After the first drive, the Bills didn't move the ball much. They got great field position all day due to the turnovers.

    The special teams were fine as usual. The botched FGA sucks, but I can't blame the loss on that.

    Sanchez, Schotty and the passing game flat out lost this game. Sanchez is a rookie, and the Jets need to really limit his chances to turn the ball over. This team does not need him to win games right now. They are doing everything else well, so why put the game on his shoulders?

    Even if the Jets ran the ball every play of this game and ran the bs seminole, reverses, screens, they probably still easily win this game. This sucks but if you put a rookie in bad spots he will usually cost you games.
     
  2. RunLeonRun

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    idk what contributed more to Sanchez's awful game

    the cold and wind or no Cotchery?
     
  3. TheBlairThomasFumble

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  4. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    The O put up points on Monday and Cotch had only one catch, I saw Clowney open a couple times and Sanchez decided to throw to heavily covered Edwards and an equally well covered Keller, Keller also just sucked too. Sanchez had alot time to throw and threw really poor passes!!
     
  5. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    If the Jets limit Sanchez they go nowhere this year and stunt his and the teams future growth.
     
  6. CJLang

    CJLang Well-Known Member

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    Blaming the OC? Sanchez is the greatest when he wins, but the OC sucks when you lose.

    Sanchez played bad, anyway you cut it. He's young and that is to be expected. He will be a very good starter for the Jets. He needs to remember that he has more than Edwards to throw to...

    But that doesn't mean the OC should be blamed for the QB's bad decisions.
     
  7. AbdulSalam

    AbdulSalam New Member

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    Much of this is on Schotty. Sanchez should be kept on a conservative ball control game plan that is designed to have him hand the ball off and throw high percentage short passes, avoid sacks and let the defense win the game. Instead Schotty has him running and gunning like he is supposed to be Joe Montana. He isn't even close to being that kind of a QB yet. The Jets strength is Defense and OL and the ground game. Why the heck Schotty feels the need to open this thing up like its Dan Marino back there is beyond me. Its just stupid football because he is not playing to the strength of his team. Running plays, Short passes and play action. That is what MS should be doing. Make the good reads, avoid INTs at all costs. Keep It Simple Stupid.
     
  8. bojanglesman

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    At this point the smart thing for Sanchez and the OC is to make short, easy passes, run the ball a lot, and if the receiver isn't open, just throw it away. If the defense is our best aspect of the game, let them win or lose it. Punt and play the field position game. It isn't fancy, we won't blow anyone out, but at least we will let our defense lose the game and not our mediocre offense. Use your best weapon.
     
  9. bojanglesman

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    Damn you copier!!:beer:
     
  10. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    I disagree respectfully of course, a rookies mental development is of the upmost importance and forcing him to carry the offense and having these kinds of performances really shatters confidence and will make him forever scared of making mistakes therefore he won't be confident enough in himself to take risks and make a big play. They shouldn't shelter him but take away at least 6 pass plays and make them run plays and take the load off his shoulders. Our run game is good, Jones seemed really pissed a himself on Monday and really ran hard today, we are actually running to the outside and it really makes a huge difference and of course having Edwards opens it up too. Our running game is getting better, alot better, we shouldn't be putting alot on Sanchez. This may be just me but I haven't been seeing any slant routes on offense or any posts into the middle of the field. Maybe guys aren't getting open well on those plays or they aren't doing it, I dont know maybe its just me.
     
  11. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    If his confidence is going to be shattered because he can't handle the pressure than sit him down. We don't have a running game that can carry us against the better teams.
     
  12. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez is being over coached.
     
  13. hazmat

    hazmat New Member

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    The defense played well enough to win 5 of the 6 games without having a high scoring offense. The Jets have a very good defense, good specials, a running game that is getting there and a rookie qb. The Ravens (who had a better run game) limited Flacco last year and basically said we aren't going to turn it over on offense and we think our defense and special teams will give us a chance every week. The Jets defense gave up 13 points today against a team that turned the Jets over 6 times on interceptions. That's unheard of. The wildcat is the only offense that has had sucess against the Jets defense.

    If the offense doesn't turn it over the defense/specials/running game is good enough to beat 90% of the teams in the league.
     
  14. teamgreen

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    Agree on the over-coached piece-- I think he's thinking too much, much like Penny would occasionally get into when things weren't going well and he'd start "wishing" the ball around instead of throwing with confidence. This will be a good test of the Rookie's nerves. Don Banks got it right in his snap judgements, particularly the very last line :
    "Mark Sanchez Fever appears to have cooled. After his boffo 3-0 start, the Jets rookie quarterback is 0-3, with eight interceptions, two fumbles lost, and just one touchdown pass during that span. And worse, he looks flat out nervous in the pocket, like any other rookie QB."
     
  15. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Turnovers are going to happen. TN beats us sensless if they don't turn the ball over on special teams. If we don't pass the ball deep against Miami and just pound the ball what makes you think the Bills don't shut down our run game? We just run the ball we lose to NE even though they don't score a TD. Sanchez also broke the back of Houston with his third down efficiency.

    If we just run the ball and play D we are 2 and 4 or 1 and 5.
     
  16. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    Yeah but are we really expecting a big season this year, I'm not, I was having high hopes in the beginning but now its obvious Houston and Tennessee aren't that good and NE wasn't in form yet. Either way we may not win many games no matter which way you want to look at it, but our running game has looked nice the last two games and we should let them run. We have weapons to have a nice season, our seminole formation is pretty good and should be used a little more then once a game and with Edwards defenses can't sit around and stack the box. Our defense puts in position to win games with only scoring 17 to 20 points most of the time, so why put it all on the rookie he'll have plenty of time to get pass happy in the future he isn't going anywhere for a while. We were one 3rd down stop from either going to OT or winning the game against Miami and one play away from beating the Bills but unfortunately a dumb ass penalty killed it.
     
  17. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Who said put it all on the rookie? This is still a passing league and we just aren't going to win many games with a one demensional O that doesn't do allot of passing and attack teams through the air.

    If we stop doing that we aren't going to be able to run the ball against most decent teams let alone the good ones.

    I always thought this was a rebuilding year. To many new faces and with a rookie QB it's hard to be consistently good.
     
  18. hazmat

    hazmat New Member

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    I'm saying you have to pick your spots. We couldn't throw the ball at all today but somehow managed 300 yards rushing. My point is that the defense is good enough that if you don't put it in bad spots it will keep you in every game.

    Sanchez almost cost us the game against the Titans as well with his turnovers. I still think we beat the Texans even if they went to a more conservative offense.

    I guess we disagree, but I think this good enough that even with a conservative offense, the rest of the team is good enough for them to win most games. I love Sanchez and I think he is going to be great, but he has to have close to 15 turnovers in 6 games. 10 Interceptions and how many more fumbles? Other then the Miami game the defense has given up less then 15 points a game.
     
  19. JetsYankeesThrylos

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    Bottom line is our run game was great today and they should have ran a bit more instead of letting Sanchez throw when he clearly wasn't having a good game at all, he was staring down his receivers and by receivers I mean Keller and Edwards because he was constantly throwing to them even when they were ridiculously covered, I stopped paying attention to the game near the end of the fourth quarter and some of OT but he seemed to just throw to those two except for a couple dumps and short zips to Jones and Leon. Well ok Wright and Clowney aren't very experienced but for Clowneys case I saw him open a number of times or at least in a position to make a safe catch and Sanchez didn't throw to him, and we know Clowney has good hands and speed. Anyway all I'm saying is if Sanchez is sucking big dick don't make him throw let the run game do what they did all game and abuse the Bills.
     
  20. PJ4Ever

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    Schotty made some bad calls today, but I don't get the "we passed too much" criticism.

    We ran the ball 38 times and passed it 29 times. Def a lot more runs, no? Would you all have been happier with 43 and 24? If we do that, perhaps many of the holes would not have been there.
     

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