Every year there is an overreaction to every preseason game, or even every preseason snap. After reading the post game threads, the reaction to the play of Sanchez and Gholston stand out. First, Gholston. Anybody willing to write him off after watching him play half a preseason game last night is being ignorant. This is his rookie year in reality. Mangini never gave him a chance and then broke his confidence. We have a long way to go until September. Let's let this coaching staff work with this guy and put him in a position to succeed. I actually didn't think he played badly. Yes, he looked a little tentative at times, but he made some plays (two tackles and a QB pressure that led to a throw away pass). He also was around the ball and was held on Gado's TD run (look at the replay with Gado running towards the camera). I have to say that I heard his name more than some others and saw him around the ball more than others (Ellis, for example). Pace and Harris played very good games. But did Thomas play better than Gholston? Let's give it some tiem before he iw written off. As for Sanchez, I loved what I saw, but the enthusiasm has to be tempered with the circumstances. One drive in one preseason game does not make a star or even a starter. I hope he is the real deal, but that is also going to take time. I can point to many many former Jet QBs who were August stars and September busts. Just think Nagle. Anybody remember the great game Mirer had in the last preseason game in 1998? I'm not rooting against Sanchez by any means. I hope we found our QB of the future. And I'm not trying to be pessimestic. I'm just saying that we tend to overexamine and over react to preseason football.
I think the only reason people are calling for Sanchez to be the starter is because he appears to be the best option we have at this point. Nobody is saying he's going to be Joe Montana yet, but we're comparing him to KC, who in my mind, hasn't shown to even be Browning Nagle.
I think it is almost a foregone conclusion that he will be the starter. I just want people to realize that he is likely to struggle some this year if he is.
Yeah I'm expecting him to have some really terrible moments. I just want the beating process over with, sooner rather than later.
Agreed As for Gholston, this is not his rookie year no matter how much a lot of you may want it to be. He is a second year pro getting a lot of cash and getting out played by 1st year free agents named Westermann, Cummings and Renkart. I live in Ohio less than an hour from Ohio State and even the biggest OS fans say he is a bust.
I've seen VG's entire career at OSU. I've been saying for 2 years that Gholston would never transition to OLB in the NFL. I agree with most OSU fans believing Gholston was a one-trick pony, overpowering weak O-linemen. The future of Gladys is very murky!!! I'm willing to give VG the benefit of the doubt in 2009.......it's time to shit or get off the pot.
Ignorant of what, exactly? Ignorant of the way some pro athletes start slowly and develop into great players? Because I really don't feel ignorant about that. I consider myself a fairly smart, fairly observant, entirely non-alarmist person in general, and a huge, long-time fan of the NFL and the New York Jets. And when it comes to the phenomenon by which an athlete starts slowly but eventually evolves into a serviceable ball player, I don't feel ignorant at all. I feel eminently aware of this possibility. And I am writing off Vernon Gholston anyway.
If they have opposite results against the Ravens, the threads will be highly interesting come the 25th.
I was watching the Ravens this morning on NFL network. Newsome is a genius at finding these kids who can just rush the shit out of the passer. i wonder how Sanchez will deal with the rush next monday, because he didn't really deal with it in his 1st series out there. He had all day to throw with the Clowney pass (and held the safety like a 5th year pro, damn) and had a speed read to keller and another easy pass to keller. I want to see how he responds with two defenders closing down on him.
Have you forgotten just how bad Nagle was? I still get pissed thinking about O'Brien coming off the bench and winning and getting sent back to the pine when Nagle was cleared. What could have been...
How did Mangini not give him a chance? I remember watching oodles of highlights from both the defense and special teams where he just stood there apparently not even knowing what his job was!!! Missed open field tackles until they ultimately didn't even bother dressing him. Blaming Mangini for Gholstons issues is ridiculous. I take a lot more stock in the players on the team criticizing the guys desire to play than anything else.
Being fair on Gholston, he has been playing football since late in his HS career and really came out of nowhere when arriving into OSU. So your looking at maybe 5 years that he has played football and has taken it seriously. Some of the posts I read on here regarding him were so silly and ridiculous that even questioned his heart and drive.....Even though he is in awesome shape and has really exploded onto the football scene in such a small amount of time....Not to mention that he took some of his time to go see Lawrence Taylor in efforts to find his groove in the NFL. Mario Williams was NOT the player he is today in year 1. People need to realize it takes time to transition into a defense for these kids and having Dumbgini give Gholston a DNP in Week 15 was not going to help Vernon and would have only ruined himself. Now this is not to say Vernon will be the next Mario Williams(I wish) but to say he is worthless and brings nothing to the Jets is beyond hilarious and insane.....and people wanting an undrafted rookie to start over Gholston is just uncomprehending. Gholston looks better this year(1 game albeit) than last year from what I saw where he had looked lost and confused into at least getting a grip on the pace of the game.
Wow..just how many different excuses are people willing to make up for why Gholston sucks? The only thought here is that he was drafted overall number 6 and he got paid as the overall number 6. The only thing he deserves to be compared to is other top 10 picks. He is a gem or a bust when he is?
I personally compare Gholston as to being what Jamaal Anderson is to the Falcons right now. He had 0 sacks year 1 and did very little but then slowly showed some progression in year 2 with 3 sacks(Which is what I think Vernon will get this year, 3-3.5 sacks) and by year 3 I expect both men to have around the 6-8 sack plateau. I know some people are not high on Anderson but again the transition from Colege to pro doesnt work for everyone right off the bat. Its just a matter if the Jet fan can wait or not and I know we are of a fanbase that is inpatient at times regarding expectations and what we want out of someone.
Baker....all of your comments are well and good, but try to convince me VG was worth the #6 pick. You know as well as anyone on this site...I predicted Gholston's fate in the NFL loooong before he was drafted...so far I've been 100% on the money. I hope I'm wrong about Vernon, but it doesn't look promising. We are going to miss Pace big time the first 1/4 of the season. We all will have a better idea if Vg sinks or swims by mid October.
This is crazy! At what you are saying he would have a total of say 10 sacks in three full seasons in which he is being paid $20 MILLION dollars. Wow $2 Million a sack, anyone happy with that is crazy!!!!! You could have a dozen better players for $2 million a year. Hell we have minimum paid rookies doing better on this team. Gholston is a top five paid player on this team and would be lucky to make the practice squad under normal situations. He was a one trick pony who lost his giddy-up and should be headed for the glue factory.
with the way gholston loves bull rushing offensive tackles anyone think we should move him to mlb. Or does his tackling skills suck to much
Not sure about crowing his ass quite yet, but I threw my arms in the air when Sanchez connected on that first pass. Confidence in him from the coaching staff, self confidence and a long connection. I went to bed part way through the 3rd as I had to drive for 5 hours today and I was tired (it was about 2 in the morning), but I went to bad happy.
his tackling skills have improved. that's the one thing i'll give him. He made a nice dive tackle on one of the RBs and had to go over one of our own guys doing so. It was a nice play. MLBs have more to think about, so I wouldn't want him to be thinking more. He needs to learn technique, which I think is something that was neglected to be taught at Ohio State due to his ability to overpower everyone. He doesn't know how to use his hands at all... 2nd and 3rd stringers use basic technique to neutralize him. Not to mention the lack of desire to be great.
