I was stunned when I saw this! How in the WORLD could we have gone this long without drafting one single solitary pro-bowl skill player since Keyshawn?? I mean...I love defense and all...being my bread and butter for a few years...but you have got to score points! WOW....and I mean WOOOOWWWWWW!!!! I REALLY hope that Idzik holds on to all 12 draft picks...maybe one of those guys can make a pro-bowl like impact in the near future. Sorry, this is what you get now that there is 2 useless weeks between the old draft time and the new one.
I saw the article and I don't like how it doesn't account for players that we drafted that became pro bowlers on other teams, like Santana Moss and Laveranues Coles. By that logic give us credit for Curtis Martin. Also didn't count Leon Washington who went as a KR/PR. Still doesn't look very good though
I thought it was a pretty fair representation. I was wholly against getting rid of a few players over the last decade and Coles and Moss were two of the TOP guys that really pissed me off when they left. Cotchery is in that discussion as well.
Almost 20 years? WOW!!! That needs to change ASAP. Hopefully Idzik will get it done. Still........WOW!
If you draft early based on potential that is not backed up by production you're going to wind up with decent players but not stars. Odell Beckham Jr is not going to be a star in the NFL. He was a good player in college and he may well be a good player in the NFL but he is extremely unlikely to be more than that. If he had the star thing going it would have come out at LSU. He had 12 TD's in 3 years there. TWELVE. That's not going to turn into a big playmaker in the NFL. Jarvis Landry is looked at as a possession receiver but he had 15 TD's the last 2 years to Beckham's 10.
I think people get worked up over "pro-bowls" and honestly I'm just happy to get solid contributors. The only position where a pro bowl caliber player really means a good shot at a playoff run is QB, so I'll just take my solid contributors and keep the everlasting QB search going. Here's hoping Geno is the next pro-bowl Jets QB, but even if he is it won't be for a couple years yet. Besides, I think Dustin Keller was snubbed from the pro bowl at least 1 year so I feel like he should count.
Dustin Keller is a perfect example of Odell Beckham's ceiling. He wasn't a star TE by any stretch of the imagination and he wasn't a big playmaker. He was decent just like he was in college. If you want to have a strong offense you need to draft at least a few strong players. If you keep drafting flat players with a limited ceiling you're going to wind up with a flat offense with a limited ceiling.
Paul Hackett [2001 - 2004] <- we know him as 3rd-and-15-DRAW Hackett Mike Heimerdinger [2004-2005] Brian Fucking Schottenheimer [2006-2011] If this offense actually produced anything with half semblance of pro-bowl, that would mean we're back in the '60s and '70s football, where defense dominated the game.
Well, being a star depends on a number of factors, but I'd say if Keller were on the Patriots he probably would have been both a pro-bowler and a star. He did have over 800 yards in a season which is pretty good for a TE, and I have no doubt he would have been much more productive with a QB like Manning or Brady.
I keep reading this post and it's hard to grasp. Do you believe that you should draft decent players in the 1st round because if you somehow got great players to go around them (presumably in a year when you actually tried to draft a star with your 1st round pick) they'd be stars (maybe?) Dustin Keller was a smallish TE who played in a wide open offense at Purdue and managed to be the 6th leading receiver in the Big 10 in 2007. He wasn't the leading receiver on his team and he finished 1 catch ahead of Joe Orton for 2nd place. Curtis Painter completed 356 passes that year in the aforementioned wide open offense and Keller caught less than 20% of them. He wasn't going to be a star in the NFL. Trading up for him was a stupid move by the Jets, who probably could have had him just staying on their pick 4 picks later.
I'm not exactly sure where the negativity here is coming from, I was just commenting that Keller got snubbed from the pro bowl in 2011 when the two NE TE's went to the Super Bowl. I'm not sticking up for past draft habits of the Jets or anything, I've made it known that I disagree with the way Tannenbaum consistently traded away picks. I wasn't even speaking as to where the Jets took Keller. I think if Sanchez had taken a step forward in 2011 he could have had an even better year, and a franchise QB could have utilized him to the point that he could have been a star. I feel like maybe you're reading too much into my post.
What I mean is I'm not looking at when or how Keller was drafted, in what context, or who else we should have picked instead. I just mean Keller was a good player for us, was a bit underrated, could probably have been better with better QB play, and personally I think he deserved a pro bowl bid over Jermaine Gresham in 2011. That's all.
We only look for defensive talent in the 1st round ever since we got burned in 2009. Hopefully, we find a weapon or two early for Geno.
That isn't true. Laveranues Coles Santana Moss Leon Washington let's be honest, Chad deserved to make it a couple of times but the PB is a complete joke. we didn't draft a ton of O skill position players early either.
What's even sadder is they're only talking Pro Bowl here and not All-Pro. At least if it was All-Pro I could understand since that's the best of the best. But the Pro Bowl has become like a participation award.
