Next season's personnel issues

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  1. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    everyone of us agrees that our O-line is our offensive weak point. Specifically RG, RT, LT.
    Our RB situation needs upgraded as well. Ivory isn't worth big money, especially if our O-line isn't fixed entirely. Powell is a good role player, and Stacy could possibly be what Ivory is. A TE would be a nice luxury/necessity.
    A future #1 WR, that could play #2 next year (moving Decker to #3, would help the TE/RB situation dramatically, just a thought.
    Also, and I'm sure tons of Jet fans will disagree considering stats, QB.
    I really don't see Fitz repeating this past season, but I hope so.
    He deserves credit, but a lot of his success is due to our 1-2 punch at wideout. Fitz 's arm is suspect to me, and even though he put up great numbers, didn't lead us to anything.
    His play kept us out of the playoffs, against Buffalo.
    I'm not 100% sold, and add to that he may not be here next season. He may take the money and run.
    On Defense, our ILB's and OLB's need an overhaul.
    LB's are the key to a "swarming" defense, but they must be fast. We are not. We are slow as a group, and in our losses they were exposed in coverage, lack of QB pressure, and missed tackles. This must be addressed if our D is going to be dominant as designed. I hate to say it but we lack a lock down CB again against the top 10 WR's. Revis has lost too much to be an Island against them. We have depth there, but still lack. I believe keeping Cromartie, moving him to FS, Gilchrist to SS, and let Pryor rove would be a great idea, if you think about it long and hard.
    A punter and decent return game would also be worth a game in the win column somewhere along the line.
    Bring it on, Let's hear it.
     
  2. LIJetsFan

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    I can begin to say how much of what you say is wrong, ie., cro at FS, lol
     
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  3. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    I guess you hate Cro?
    He isn't the greatest of tackling machines agreed, but his play on the ball throughout his career says he could. Do you honestly think he would be picked on as a FS? Lol
     
  4. NCJetsfan

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    The OL definitely needs to be upgraded at RG and RT, and Brick's eventual replacement needs to be found. Mangold's replacement will soon need to be found as well. The depth there needs to be upgraded as well.

    Stacy is the only RB left on the roster, and he's the first one that should go imo. I don't think he can carry Ivory's jock. Ivory probably is going to want too much money and can't stay healthy. Powell should be brought back, but we need two other RBs. One should come via the draft, and another via FA.

    Is Fitz the long term answer at QB? No. Is he likely to have as good a season this year as last? Probably not, but he could. He thrives in Gailey's offense. He'll have an established rapport with his receivers and they'll all know the offense better, so in one regard, it could be better. He is a great, fiery leader and Marshall and Decker love him. He cut down on the mistakes and forced throws during the season, and I think would continue in that. He is smart, makes decisions quickly and gets rid of the ball quickly, and makes the OL look better than they are. If the Jets can upgrade their OL and RB positions, the offense could be better, and Fitz could be just as effective and possibly even more effective. If Amaro can develop and they can add another decent TE, that would help Fitz. The weather could be worse, however, and that may be the biggest determining factor for him. He doesn't have the ideal arm strength for the NE in December and January, however. He gave us the best QB play we've had since Chad, however. As for him not leading us to anything, you couldn't be more wrong. His play did not keep us out of the playoffs. That's flat out wrong. I will be very surprised if he's not back. He loves it here and is a great fit and mentor until Petty is ready or the Jets can find another young QB to groom.

    The LB unit definitely needs to be overhauled and needs an infusion of youth, speed, coverage ability and play-making ability. You're right on the mark here.

    We definitely will need another topflight CB soon, but don't look for that to happen in the next couple of seasons. The Jets are on the hook for too much cash to Revis and can't cut him. He's lost a step. That's obvious. There was a game or two where he was giving a lot of cushion to receivers, but that might have been the game plan or Rodgers or Bowles' mistake. On the burner-type receivers, the Jets might have been better off putting Cro on them, and letting Revis take out the #2 and/or slot receiver on the opposing team.

    I'm sorry, no offense meant, but the idea of moving Cro to FS is laughable. In addition to having foot speed, a FS has to have two equally important skills: he needs to be a ballhawk and he needs to be a sound tackler. Everyone knows that Cro is not physical. He won't even use his size to knock receivers off their routes at the LOS and play press coverage. His attempts at tackling are half hearted and usually lame. There is no way he could be a FS. His ball skills aren't even that good any more. I think he only had 1 interception this past season and may have had none. I saw him almost get one, fairly late in the season and had he caught that one it would have been his first of the season. If he's still here, he must take a sizable pay cut. More than likely, I think he will be gone, unless Bowles likes him too much for some reason and wants to keep him.

    We definitely need a punter and a return man. That should be doable at a minimum.

    I initially missed your comment about moving to Decker to the #3 WR. That's just nuts. Why would they want to do that? You do realize he had a great season and is great out of the slot with Marshall wide, don't you?
     
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  5. irishwhip03

    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    Decker won't ever be a #3.

    What we would need is a solid 3rd wideout though. Kerley will be gone and Enunwa/Thompkins/Smith are better suited as down on the depth chart guys who need to work their way up.

    New punter , pass rusher and RB is good enough for me. I don't think the oline was as big of a problem as most. Unless knowing that it lives and dies on the health of Mangold is a problem.
     
  6. TouchyFeely

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    To be honest I stopped reading when you said Stacy could be what Ivory is.

    Skill- and talent-wise Ivory is a top ten back in the league. If the first five games of the season were any indication, he's top 5. That said, his playstyle leaves him injured and ineffective for as many games as he is incredible.

    Ivory injured is still more effective than Stacy is healthy.
     
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    We need speed and youth. With the right coaching they will be good backups and work into the first string. LB's, OL's, RB's, WR's and CB's. Punter and return man for sure.
     
  8. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Good idea. Let's play a 3 safety set with one who can't tackle, demote our excellent #2 receiver to a #3 receiver and start Zac Stacy who averages like 3.3 yards per carry.

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  9. NYJETS4life24

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    Stacy is aweful lol to say he can be the same as Ivory is just straight dumb. The guy is slow as shit and the biggest joke was seeing him as our kick returner lol
     
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    What is this big fixing of the o line you speak of?The o line was one of the best in the league this year.And the only place I wanna move Cro is into a dumpster
     
  11. JetLifeLo

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    Stacy can NOT be Ivory or anything close to it. Don't be disrespectful.

    Cro needs to be off the team let alone playing a position where a MISSED TACKLE can lead to a home run every time.

    Fitz loves and is loved here.. he's grateful to even have this oppurtunity to receive a contract extension..he's a lock, we'll probably sign him the week after the SB. First signing.
     
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  12. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    So moving Decker to the slot, where he is most effective, is a bad idea because he won't be the #2 anymore?
    Also, what did Fitz lead us to?
    Oh, we almost made the playoffs. Got it.
     
  13. tbruner12

    tbruner12 Well-Known Member

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    Ivory is as slow as Stacy.
    Ivory can't handle the carries, due to injury because of his running style.
    If he changes his running style, he wouldn't be effective.
    Ivory isn't worth big money. Period

    I know this argument is kind of like the chicken and the egg, but Fitz needs Marshall, more than Marshall/Decker needs Fitz.
     
  14. Jetsfansince95

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    People seem to forget very quickly how awful our QB plays was for the last 4 seasons up until 2015
     
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    That's pretty much it for me. I could go either pass rusher or ILB, but with just a few tweaks (assuming we sign most of our guys) we're going to be a true contender next year.

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  16. Jonathan_Vilma

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    And who is playing outside? We're not good enough every where else, or in good enough cap shape to build the best receiving core ever. Decker stays put. Draft a speedy receiver in the late rounds who can lock return or sign a Leonard Hankerson type receiver to a minimum prove it deal and pray they work out.

    There is nothing wrong with our receivers and we're what 15 million under the cap with a couple big time free agents. The last thing this front office is thinking about is trying to add to the best Jets WR duo in our franchises history.
     
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    You do recognize that a 10-win season gets you in the playoffs more than 90% of the time, don't you?
    We got the short straw, so Fitzpatrick blows goats.....I see where you're going there.
     
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    The status of the OL & the LB position and the amount of depth for them on the roster is quite alarming. Breno and Winters HAVE to be upgraded. At worst, Mangold is still top 10 NFL center, but it getting old fast - so we really need to keep an eye open for the future. D'Brick has hit the wall, - its all downhill from here, --- we have to find his replacement within the next 2 offseasons (this one included). Carpenter is the only spot to stay, --- and he was a FA pickup (i.e. - someone else's draft pick)!!!

    At the LB spot, - its David Harris, Trevor Reilly & Lorenzo Mauldin. THAT'S IT! Calvin Pace? Erin Henderson is a FA that I would like us to re-sign. I mean, holy s--t.

    Amazing when you look back in retrospect to see that the entire roster was beyond crisis mode just before Mike Mac got here. Think about it --- he replenished a depleted WR core & filled an empty secondary as well. This despite having 6-7 draft picks every year.

    I'm confident to say that without a doubt, - our most important offseason acquisition in the past 13 months was Mike Maccagnan (hired 1/13/2015).
     
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    I feel like this is one of the first years in a while, where I dont think the Jets are desperate for anything.

    Sure they could get younger on the OL, or draft a young OLB. I would probably consider those their two biggest "needs." Not to say that it couldnt use an upgrade, but I think with the same OL, we could get by next year. OLB could be upgraded as well, but I dont think it is such a big need that we would pass up superior players.

    In round 1, I would be ok with any of the following positions being addressed:

    WR
    OLB
    OL
    MLB
    RB (maybe)
    QB (maybe)
    CB

    In my mind, this team should be going BPA (besides DL)
     
  20. JDeacon

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    I can only imagine this board if we go bpa and its another dl man. With how drafts have fallen lately, I can see one of the top two qbs sitting there and us pulling the trigger. Combines and pro days will sort a lot of this nonsense out.
     

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