We did this a while back when it seemed like there was a flood of new members. Seems to me that TGG is running with as high a volume as any other Jets site. Still, not everyone posts. I think I followed the site for a good six months before I started posting anything. Even then, it felt somewhat intimidating when I was responding to someone with 1000 posts, to my 3. Now, most of those posters are good friends. Had to start somewhere, I guess. So, for anyone new-ish, I?m calling you out. Declare yourselves on any or all of the following. Call it an ice-breaking, if you want: (1) What was your first impression of the hiring of Eric Mangini as head coach, and the promotion of Mike Tannenbaum as General Manager? (2) Who are you hoping the Jets pick in the 2006 Draft? (3) The 2006 season will be a success if. . . . (4) How long do you give the Mangini/Tannenbaum administration to succeed? No right or wrong answers, of course. And, nobody?s going to rub your nose in your answers two years from now, if they somehow turn out tragically flawed.
Since I started the thread, I?ll also kick it off by answering my own questions. (1) What was your first impression of the hiring of Eric Mangini as head coach, and the promotion of Mike Tannenbaum as General Manager? I had a bit different perspective on this. I got a little inside information from the Patriots? perspective (which I won?t share) that concerned me. However, I liked that it was out-of-the-box thinking. The thought of Mike Tice as head coach gave me a full week of acid reflux. It had such a Kotite feel about it. Hiring Mangini and Tannenbaum said to me that the Jets were looking for something fresh; that they were willing to suffer growing pains, as long as there was a goal in mind; and that they weren?t going to settle for someone else?s leavings. That alone helped me overcome any misgivings. (2) Who are you hoping the Jets pick in the 2006 Draft? I?m the biggest waffler on draft picks, but I?ve been pretty consistent in that I don?t hate the idea of trading down a few slots if the opportunity presents, and picking up additional picks. I like a lot of guys in this draft. But that?s just it ? I like A LOT of guys equally. It wouldn?t bother me in the least if we dropped a handful of slots and picked up another first day pick. (3) The 2006 season will be a success if. . . . The team plays with heart, seems to be developing a system, and looks capable of competing on as an upper-tier team in the foreseeable future. (4) How long do you give the Mangini/Tannenbaum administration to succeed? What kind of stupid question is that? How should I know? I might be fed up after one year. Two straight years of buffoonery means you don?t get a third year, but I don?t expect that to happen.
1) I think we should have kept Herm. I liked the guy. He had only two losing seasons with us and it wasn't his fault entirely 2) I hope that the Jets pick A.J. Hawk with the #4 pick and at #29 should be Mangold. Next should be Croyle. 3) Hmm...a successful Jets season this year would be going 8-8 or better honestly. You can't set the bar too high for a team that struggled with injuries the previous year and is now in a remodeling mode. There are some games that I just can't picture us winning and there's some that I think we can win by looking at the schedule, but really it is too early to look at a schedule. You have to wait until about week 5 or 6 to really be able to see who is going to make a run and who is going to get stomped the rest of the year. 4) I give these guys this year and next as restructure years, and by then we should be in the playoffs. Of course there are variables such as Pennington getting hurt again and tough schedules but after a few years, the flaws start to dwindle into just a lack of performance in the front office.
I'm not exactly new but I need more posts so I'll answer (1) I think Mangini's upside probably made him a better candidate than everyone else who was available, but I don't really see him as a savior or anything yet. I'll give him the same chance I'd give any other coach with a clean slate. I've always liked Tannenbaum, and really anyone could do a better job than Bradway. (2) Honestly I am sick of hearing about the draft and I don't see what the big deal is about. As long as we pick some promising O-linemen and no kickers I will be happy. (3) Same answer as yours. There's a lot going on with a successful team but it's usually easy to tell a promising team from one that's going to stay in the cellar. (4) It would be stupid to expect them not to make mistakes. However depending on how many and what types of mistakes are made there is a point where things just need to end--see what happened with Herm. What the hell. I say after four years we'd better have a dominant team.
Hey its good to be here...I definitely lurked for a while before I decided to post. I still don't post a whole lot because either someone else already said what I needed to say, or I don't know enough about the subject. Those are some good questions, so here goes... 1. I actually liked herm (*duck tomatoes*) and didn't want to see him leave, even though his offensive skills were offenisve. The way he left, however, was completely underhanded and if that's the kind of guy he was, then good riddance. I hope the hiring of Mangini was for his skill and not because woody was being cheap; because there were plenty of more qualified candidates out there. I also hope that we don't turn into Bellichick's Browns (my nightmare). That said, I like what's been done so far...Always hated Bradway and like what Tanny has done, but hope we get someone more experienced in there (that guy from Baltimore, right after the draft is over). 2. Leinart!!! then as many lineman as are out there! 3. The new players show they are gelling as a unit under the new system. 4. 4 years is a fair time to get into the playoffs and 5 to be superbowl contenders. Rome wasn't built overnight.
Same here I followed the site for about three months then signed up, after my first couple of posts I was waiting for some guy who was a member since 2003 with 3,00 posts to rip my posts and call me an idiot newb. any way: (1) What was your first impression of the hiring of Eric Mangini as head coach, and the promotion of Mike Tannenbaum as General Manager? I liked the signing of Eric Mangini, I thought he could be a great head coach if Jets fans give him time to make his mistakes, learn the ropes and grow. I liked his past history and the people he learned under. I had no idea about Mike T, I knew little about him but I didnt think he could do worse then Bradway. I love what he has done so far and will finalize my glowing praise of him after the draft. (2) Who are you hoping the Jets pick in the 2006 Draft? I wanted no piece of Ferguson b/c I felt the 4th pick of the draft would be a waste on a linemen unless he could be in the class of Pace, Ogden, Jones etc. I currently want Super Mario or A.J. Hawk. If Leinart ever fell I would jump on him in a second. At 29 I would like Manny Lawson or A.J. Hawk, at 35 I would like Nick Mangold and in round 3 I would like ryan callaghan. It all depends if we get Leinart but if we took hawk or Mario that would be my first three rounds. (3) The 2006 season will be a success if. . . . If Chad better yet the whole team can stay healthy, Curtis can have a bounce back year, If J-Mac can return to the guy I used to like as our go to guy in 2004, young players like Rhodes, Coleman, Miller, and Robertson can flourish in Mangini's D, the pro bowl Shaun Ellis returns, we draft a stud on defense which gives a playmeker to pair with Vilma to confuse and torment offenses (4) How long do you give the Mangini/Tannenbaum administration to succeed? I think there already showing they have a plan and are trying to create a blue collar environment of people and players responsible for there actions. Surrounding themselves with guys who want to get better eveeryday and do not accept failure.
so do I. The people who just lurk here should join and contribute. For every crappy newbie we get, we get a good poster. The best new contributors to the forums usually come from people who lurk for awhile before posting
I am a new member (joined about a week ago) and am really interested in how some of the older guys reference ex-Jets and relate them to current players... I am only 17 so I have unfortunatly not been alive long enough to see greats such as the sack exchange, namath, lyons, toon, todd, snell, leahy, etc... here are my opinions: 1. I was real excited about grabbing Mangini. I can reluctantly say that he was groomed by one of the best, and is young and unknown enough for him to be able to hopefully stay with us for many years and make us a proud franchise agian. With regards to Tannenbaum becoming GM, I was honestly not that surprised. I believe he was already handling many of the duties that Terry should have been, and I figured Mangini would make a youth movement in the Jets franchise. 2. This is one of the better draft classes in a while, and we have 5 of the top 100 picks, so I am extremely excited. I am a strong believer in building for the future this year, so in a perfect world I would LOVE to build our O-line with D'Brick and Mangold and groom players such as DeAngelo and Jacobs. But, if I could have one player I would take Leinart in a second. I have great confidence in a guy who has the resume that he has and played at a highly competitive level in college for as long as he did. 3. The 2006 season will be a success not by winning a bunch of games. I would most like it if players like Jerricho Cotchery, Adrian Jones, Brandon Moore, Joel Dreessen, Cedric Houston, B.J. Askew, Justin Miller, Erik Coleman, Mike Nugent, this year's draft picks, and many others develop to the level that we can return to a proud franchise in a couple years. Although none of us want another terrbile season, it might not be a bad thing. Brady Quinn could always be Mangini's Tom Brady. 4. I will have no patience for Tangini. If they don't have a good draft, I will never forgive them. With the amount of picks we have, we can't afford to screw up as we have in the past. I won't be able to deal with picks similar to Kyle Brady and Ken O'Brien over Sapp and Marino. But with that said, and being an avid fan for the Kotite, Parcells, Groh, and Edwards eras, I really feel like this is the tandem we have been waiting for.
Hello all- I've been surfing this site since the weeks before the 2004 draft, but only had access at work so never registered. But anyway, to the questions... 1) I was skeptical of the Mangini hiring at first, because simply working under a winning coach doesn't guarantee anything. But I really liked he and Mike T. getting Ramsey on the cheap, Kimo, Dyson, and a good compromise with Pennington. They seem to have their heads on straight. 2) My ideal draft looks like a lot of others around here. Mario at 4, Mangold at 29, edge rusher or tackle preferably at 35 but you never know who will be available there. I am not in the camp of needing a running back this year. Martin was injured, playing behind a weak line, with Brooks B. at QB. That is the perfect storm of inneficient running back play. I thought Houston ran hard at least, and we'll see what Blaylock has. 3) I think this team can win 4-5 games without good quarterback play, 7-8 with better a than average QB, and 9-10 with good QB play. We don't know how Penny will come back, and I think Ramsey has skill that still needs to be developed, but I'd expect nothing better than slightly above average play from whichever QB takes the field. 4) I'll give these guys a few seasons as long as they are not ridiculous. I don't want to jump on the coaching carousel.
Now that's a great post. By a 17 year old no less (sorry, but we get a lot of teenage posters here who post worthless crap) Nice job and welcome aboard :up:
(1) What was your first impression of the hiring of Eric Mangini as head coach, and the promotion of Mike Tannenbaum as General Manager? I liked it, it is better than the old regime(I hate HERM, clock management). It showed guts out of Woody Johnson. And tell me who was a better canidate at the time than Mangini? There were no Hall of Fame coaches avialable mys well make one. And herm for a 4th rnd pick I will take it. There will be growing pains with this new regime but we werent going anywhere anyways. 2) Who are you hoping the Jets pick in the 2006 Draft? The best available player regardless of position. AND a player that fits our current system. What I would ask 1st what current players will be here in 2008 not all rookies start away and make an impact, but by 2008 the 4th pick should be a beast if he is in the right system. Who will be here in 2008? Pennington is a toss up so we could look at QB. None of our skill positions will be great starters in 2008. We only have Coles but noone on the oppisite side. Most of our O-line wont be here in 2008. Only Ellis will probably be here for the Dline(robertson Still to be determined) For linebackers Vilma is a definite but Barton will be in his last yr of contract so who knows if he will be here and Hobson will be a FA by 2008. CB Miller and Dyson could be here so you can skip that position I guess. Safety they are young and inconsistent so who knows. So looking at it we need almost every position at 4 we could go anywhere. I always loved Mario Williams since September(I like DE cause of the sucess rate) I would go with him. The Saints trade helps. The question is does he fit our system? I think he does lets see if the FO agrees. (3) The 2006 season will be a success if. . . . If the Sun, Earth and Moon are alinged. I think they will go 7-9. And I dont want nothing more. Nothing worse than a new regime going 11-5 in their 1st yr then going 5-11 the next. cause fans expect something yr 3 then if they go 8-8 bye bye Mangini era then we have to start all over agian. F THAT 4) How long do you give the Mangini/Tannenbaum administration to succeed? Probably 3 years. If they have 3 losing seasons in a row. That could be it. but if they show improvement each yr I give them 4.
Sunday Jack, Your reply to your post is about the same as I feel but I usually have an inclination for thinking in the AM before I have fought the battles at work for a little piece of turf...but here is my nickels' worth... 1) Time for a changing of the guards, (pun may or may not be intended) if anyone needs a cheerleader to go to work and perform at your best then you are in the wrong field...I like the change, hopefully it will do us good in the long run. 2) Trade down would be my choice, the battle is won in the trenches of the game and on the draft board, if D'B F is the man who can stand up in his first year to the fire, then I say take the chance, but draft day can be a three ring circus and as long as the elephant doesn't leave a pile, I will take it... 3) If we don't end up in the basement it can be thought of as a successful end-around to another year of cliches... 4) I forgot the question...oh there it is...a little longer than a NY minute but less than a Rush show...3 years (3 hours in Rush time) is about all I can hope or we may find ourselves in the same boat with FatherTime at the helm... I thought the curse would end after 30 years? But nooo we just like to see them suffer for a few years longer! God help the Jets!
1. My first impression of Mangini was that he would bring a new look to the organization. I thought he would make the team better since he's a football guy. I wasn't 100% sure on Tannebaum, but he's definitely an upgrade from Bradway. 2. So many picks and choices... I would like Ferguson at 4 because he's got athleticism, experience, and great work ethic. He's coached by Groh and I think he would fit Mangini's system well. Super Mario and Leinart (if he falls or we trade up) are also great choices. Whichever player we draft, I think he'll make a positive impact on the team. 3. 2006 will be a success if the team can gel and develop good team chemistry. Play well as a team and you can beat most teams out there. Players should give their best shot on the field. Also, if we can catch a few breaks, maybe we can hit .500. 4. I give Mangini and Tannebaum 3 years to see what they can do. If they show improvement (which I think they will), then we keep them longer. This team will need a couple of years to be really strong and patience is always important.
1. My first impression of the Mangini hiring was...He's young, comes from a good coaching tree, has Coordinater xp, and is not Herm Edwards( who I was never a big believer in). I don't know what to think of MT yet. Have to wait and see how personell decisions pan out, but I like whats going on so far. 2. If the Jets stay at 4, I like M.Williams, and N.Mangold or B.Carpenter at 29. I would also be happy if they found a trade partner and moved down. Who they drafted in this scenario would depend on the details of the trade. I really don't want a 1st rd qb though. I'm willing to see how Pennington, and Ramsey play out. 3. In my eyes the season will be a success if I see nice structure in place, and improvement during the year. I want to feel good about where the defense and OL are going. 4. I think 3 or 4 seasons is fair considering they walked into what most would say was a big mess. If I was seeing that the franchise is going in the opposite direction, and showing no improvement in the trenches, I would likely become impatient after a couple os seasons
1. My first impression of hiring Mangini as HC, was that i loved the hiring. Herm was too soft, couldnt manage the clock, and made poor in game decisions. Mangini comes from a great football backround and has a ton of upside. It was about time that Bradway was fired. I'm a little skeptical about the promotion of Tannebaum because he has been known as a capologist. So far I like the job the new regime has done by getting Ramsey for a 6th round pick, signing Pope, Kimo, Chatham and Dyson. They also handled the whole Pennington situation very well. I did not like the Abraham trade, because the best pass rusher in the league is worth more than the #29 pick. 2. I am hoping the Jets draft a QB in round one, either Leinart or Young. Penny and Ramsey are not the future at qb. With the #29 pick I would like to see us take Bobby Carpenter, he could be our pass rusher in Mangini's 3-4. Then in the 2nd round I'd like to take an o linemen, maybe Mangold in or if he isnt there Mcneill. Then for the rest of the draft I'd like to see a rb, wr, dt and as many oline as possible. 3. The 2006 would be a success if we make the playoffs, anything less is a disappoinment. I know that we most likely will not be a playoff team but that is the only way to define a successful season. I see us goin 7-9 or 8-8. 4. I'll give the new regime 4 years to succeed, only because of the young ages of Mangini and Tannebaum. Mangini will need sometime to install his system and winning attitude, but ultimately I can see them being successful in 2 or 3 years.
question 1- I'm excited about Eric. having gone this direction with the team fills me with alot more hope than another tired re-tread HC. If Mike is the guy who will get the coach the players he needs, then I'm all for it. Really glad bradway isn't running the show anymore. question 2- I'd like to see the first pick landing Williams of Hawk. I think our defense is a player or two from being an elite squad in a few years. Further down in the draft, we need O-line, and I wouldn't mind a TE. question 3- 2006 will be a success if we play better in December (January-hey I can dream) than we did in September. question 4- if by succeed you mean playoffs, three years. if you mean SB success, i'm willing to ride out a winning coach for a good six or so.
1. I was happy that they didnt go with a recycled coach. If Mangini does good we have a coach for the next 30 to 40 years. Cant say as far as the GM, I have to see what he does with the draft, FA has been ok so far. 2. #4 Williams or Hawk #29 Mangold or Jean - Gilles or Justice (first but dont think he will be there) #35 Addia, Williams, Eslinger, Pope, Lewis, or Jackson - wr - Fl #71 William - cb - VTech or McNeil - ot - Aub #97 Bernstein - fb - Wis or Stovall - wr - ND #103 O?Callaghan - ot - Cali or Spencer - og - Pitt #117, #138,#173,#211 at this point I would be really pulling the pick out of my ass, I started at 103 3. I would be happy with a 6 to 8 games won (2 have to be against the fish) 4. 3 years to get to the playoffs and stay there.
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