My problem with Sanchez (and its not his fault)

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  1. KJet84

    KJet84 Member

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    I am sick of the Sanchez sucks threads because he is still a rookie and the more time he is in there and the more situations he faces, he will get better. I do agree with most of you that the playcalling is horrible. That 3rd and 2, brad smith option play was pathetic since we are supposed to have the best running game in the NFL.

    My problem is that there is NO dump off receiver. We all got on Hackett for all those little dump-offs to Sowell or CMart for 5 yards when we needed 10, but atleast we weren't turning the ball over. I don't know if this falls on Rex, Schott, Sanchez, our RBs, or the play-calling. But no way in hell, should a rookie QB be asked to throw more than 10 yards on EVERY single pass attempt. Maybe we are leaving in max protection, but if TJ doesn't get a hand on someone, atleast scoot out of the backfield and pick up 3 yards and opposed to Sanchez having to make an under pressure throw into triple coverage. If this belongs more in the play-calling sucks section, then sorry and dump this year, but I just thought this was an interesting point to bring up. I'd rather pick up 3 yards to T Rich or Ben Hartstock any day of the week than try having a freaking rookie throw downfield every play. That's why I liked Stuckey, we ran a lot of receiver screens to him and it built up Sanchez' confidence.
     
  2. Mr Electric

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    Without Leon Washington, this team has no legitimate check down receiver so Sanchez forces a lot of throws down the field.

    After the season, Tannenbaum really needs to consider bringing in another third down type running back - whether it's through free agency or through the draft, it has to be done.
     
  3. StreetFighterJet

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    I mentioned this in another thread, but I feel as if we've gone away from our screen game after Leon went down. S. Green can probably be a pretty good screen HB, so I'm surprised we havn't used him in taht manner yet.

    Also D. Keller is supposed to be our check down WR isn't he? I mean in theory he should win most matchups vs LBers, while B. Edwarsda nd Cotch exploit the mid to deep stuff.
     
  4. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    So you don't have a problem with him then...

    As has been repeatedly carped, the playcalling and play-designs are way too inconsistent. There are things that work that we only seem to utilize in one half of the game.

    Here's something I've wondered: does anyone know if Schotty (or OCs in general) create their own plays that constitute the playbook? Do they draw them up? Or do they just pull from (I guess thousands) preexisting plays and then those compose the playbook?

    PS can I get my fuckin avatar back now?
     
  5. ukjetsfan

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    I would imagine the best OCs pick and mix - adapting some existing plays to better suit their philosophy and inventing some from scratch to try something new. We all know how quickly fads catch on in the NFL. Everybody is looking to copy what works.

    I think the really elite coordinators also tailor their plays to fit their personnel and don't make things too complicated.
     
  6. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez fumbles more than Steve Slaton and JaMarcus Russell combined.

    I can understand coughing up the ball if you take a big hit, but time after time I see Sanchez putting the ball on the ground even when he barely gets touched and sometimes when he doesn't get hit at all.
     
  7. Mr Electric

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    ...and this has what to do with this thread?

    Yesterday's fumble was because Sanchez was stripped. The defender smacked the ball from his hands. Sanchez held on to the ball too long, but it's not like he placed the ball on the turf without getting hit.
     
  8. The Uniform Bomber

    The Uniform Bomber Spivey's Agent

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    Yeah, this makes sense to me.

    Again, yer dealing with a player who is facing an overwhelming amount of new challenges. The speed, the weather, the hits, the Defenses -- these are all things he never experienced at USC (at least not to this extent or at this level). I'm not saying these miscues are okay, but there's no reason to panic and fret over every mistake after 10 games.

    He will learn to correct this stuff. His work ethic is unquestioned, and combined with his physical tools and experience with each game, I think he'll be a very very good QB in a couple of years.
     
  9. HardHitta

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    He's a rookie and he will be good in time but damn its frustrating with all the interceptions when he should just bomb it out of bounds.
     
  10. abyzmul

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    The 2 knocks on Greene coming into the season were his pass blocking and by his own admission his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. I think the reason his carries were so ineffective yesterday was because the Pats pretty much knew it would be a running play the moment he stepped onto the field and they stacked the box and run-blitzed the hell out of him.

    At some point in the season, Schotty will need to take the training wheels off and give him some chances in a live game situation to do something other than run it up the gut.
     
  11. XxceenxX

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    My take on sanchez is that he gets lost coming out of the pocket.I don't know if it's his fault or the recievers,Maybe they don't run with him out of the pocket or he is scrambleing the wrong way,But he needs to work on his rollout because when he is in the pocket and takes a few steps back he look's great.I think he is not the only reason the jets been loseing cause wes was wide open all game cause they are worried bout moss..Rex better get a handle on things cause he will be gone and replaced.Jets never hesitate to fire a coach and i think he will be around cause it is his first year with a rookie q.b..They need a D.T. and a saftey for his system to work cause i can not stand rhodes.He is ruining the defense..look at polomolu,If he don't play the steelers don't win.And any DT thats big and strong will do next year.I just hate saying next year but the jets only need some time and a few pieces and we will be in the hunt next year.
     
  12. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    I'm not trying to bring back the old, typically/rightfully bashed Woodhead sentiments but why not try activating this guy for a few games in the next couple of weeks and seeing if he could at least make a contribution as a checkdown or slot receiver. We're all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs as it is, might as well see if there is anything in the back of the roster worth salvaging now instead of waiting for mini-camps, training camp, and the preseason to make a decision on it.
     
  13. It's partially the loss of Washington and it's partially due to keeping Rb's in for pass protection as defenses have decided to blitz the hell out of our rookie QB.
     
  14. AbdulSalam

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    He needs to learn how to play better. His performance is killing his team right now. 9 Fumbles and 16 INTs. TERRIBLE. He doesn't seem to understand what BALL SECURITY means. Most troubling is that he doesn't seem to be improving. You can say he's a rookie he'll get better all day long - but that is what they said about jamarcus russell and akili smith and tim couch.
     
  15. AbdulSalam

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    Where did you get the notion that his work ethic is unquestioned????? I think it is very much a question. He has not improved.
     
  16. The Uniform Bomber

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    Immediate improvement - within the first 10 games of a career - is not how you gauge work ethic.
     
  17. MadBacker Prime

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    Jamarcus has 5 lost fumbles and Mark has 3, but this is Jamarcus's third year.
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    okey dokey. Then on what do you base a prediction Sanchez will improve?
     
  19. AbdulSalam

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    Sanchez will improve when he decides to get his butt in gear and play disciplined football. He needs to start by not turning the ball over.
     
  20. ToddisGod

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    We really do seem to have just 3 legit options in the passing game- Edwards, Keller and Cothery, I cant even count Clowney as the guy probably has not even approached 10 catches for season.

    I feel we have fell a bit in love with Keller running down field getting deep down the field. Remembering just back to last year one of the things I loved about Keller was making a 4-5 yrd catch and picking up 5yds on his own and getting 1st downs. Getting the ball in a playmakers hand with little or no risk.

    This post is so spot on,
    problem is we don't seem to have a back up or second tight end that we even consider throwing too. I am not even sure if we went 5 wide or into a spread formation like INDY or NE who are 5 guys are.

    I am still waiting to see why Wallace Wright has taken up a roster spot for 5yrs now.
     

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