I think the question that us as jet fans need to ask ourselves is simply, if Mario Williams was lined up against D'Brickashaw Ferguson all game, who would get owned and who would look like a champ? NO STALEMATES!!! this should easily answer our question on who to target...
I guess ill kick it off since i started this thread...so saying that ill put my money on Mario...his speed and agility combined with his massive 290lb frame will be too much for the pass blocking d'brick to handle all game...sure Dbrick has a great wingspan and very quick on his feet but super Mario is just that good...in a full game i can see Mario making 2-3 plays in the backfield with a sack or two as well
If they were both on the Jets I'd say Mario because our offense sucks, but in some sort of neutral world, I'd give the edge to the Olineman as they win more often than Dlineman.
well idk, you would have to take into account that it's not mario's strong side (and yes side does make a little difference) and the fact that he's a pash rusher which is brick's specialty. If it was a pass rush i'd say brick 6 out of 10 times
if you say 6 out 10 times goes to Dbrick...i would be frustrated as a th QB seeing Mario Williams in my face 40% of the time...thats a tremendous amount of pressure...if you want to say your giving the edge to D brick....9 out of 10 is more like it
Mario would win most battles...not all but most, dlineman have an advantage because the olineman don't know what to expect.
Mario might.....MIGHT get a sack during a full game vs. Dbrick. The guys pass blocking skills are phenomenal, he has great feet to keep up with his Mario's speed, and the man's wingspan is enormous....overall a bad matchup for Mario. Run blocking on the other hand is a different story...
Ferguson would probably hold him to a half, or one full sack, but Mario would destroy him on run plays. It wouldn't be pretty.
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, hands down. Mario Williams production is way overrated. Fergie has shut down elite DEs before. The only couple times i can think of when he gets beat is when its a group defensive effort(like the Virginia Tech Defense that was all over the place). Mario Williams on the other hand doesnt produce much. Hes been shutdown by inferior talent a number of times. And then when he does produce, its against crappy O-Lines in huge numbers. Mario Williams has been shutdown(no sacks) by Eastern Kentucky, Georgia Tech, Boston College and Clemson. Hes been contained(limited to 1 sack) by North Carolina, Florida State, Middle Tennessee and University of South Florida. His best performances came against Wake Forest(3 sacks), Southern Mississippi(3), and Maryland(4) and i wouldnt call any of those teams real threats. Of all those teams, Boston College is the only one with a really good tackle and thats Jeremy Trueblood. And people cant say that they had to double team Mario Williams all the time because that front 4 has 3 1st round draft prospects, so hes not getting all the attention. D'Brick on the other hand has gone against top flight talent and delivered. Mario hasnt. If Eastern Kentucky and Middle Tennessee can shut Mario down, im pretty sure D'Brick can too.
Hes a LE because he has to have a named position but he plays right along the line with devastating effectivness. But I happen to believe that if they did a game facing each other D'Brick would come out on top. Not too many people will get past those great long arms and quick feet.
Well when D'Brick was a 265lb sophmore he shutdown Jason Babin who was a monster and didnt give up a sack that year.
Yeah, so we all know Ferguson is a good pass-protector. Always has been. A junior DE shouldn't be expected to get 1-2 sacks almost every game, especially when he is lining up against RTs, and is already stout against the run.
1. Mario Williams wasnt constantly producing. If you looked at my stat post your would see 10 of his 14 sacks came from shitty o-lines. Sure he averaged more than 1 sack a game, but when you look at it he wasnt getting 1 sack a game. He'd get shutdown, then have a big game against a crappy o-line. He put up 1 sack against 1 good team in Florida State, and that sack was an assisted sack! 2. So you can make the excuse that a junior Mario Williams getting 14 sacks(against shitty competition with alot of help from John McCargo and Manny Lawson) is excellent but a sophmore undersized D'Brickashaw Ferguson shutting down the 4th leading sack artist and not giving up a sack that year is not a big deal. Oh yeah, double standards.
What double standards? I said Ferguson is a good pass-protector, he has been since very very early on in his college career. But one could also say that as a Sophmore and Junior, Mario's run defense has been great. I said Mario as a Junior shouldn't be expected to get 1-2 sacks a game, and he didn't. I'd be more worried if those 14 sacks were more spread out. That would show a less chance for him to fulfill his potential. I also never said that Mario getting 14 sacks against poor competition is "excellent", and Ferguson's strong pass-protection skills were "not a big deal". Where the hell did you learn how to read?
If it is strictly pass block/rush situations then the defensive lineman always has the advantage. He doesn't have to make reads like on every other play when he doesn't know what's coming. In a pass-only situation the defensive player can pre-determine what move(s) he will hit to get past the tackle. Meanwhile, the OT has no idea what is coming and must adjust to what the defender does. That simple little bit about already knowing what you're giong to do vs. not knowing what's coming gives the defender a definate edge.
And Mario had 10 tackles, 5 for loss, and 3 sacks vs Florida State as a sophomore. It's a lot easier to say that Mario wasn't constantly producing, because all your basing it on is stats. Ferguson could not be having a great day, yet still not allow any sacks, most very good tackles don't at the college level. When he faced Tapp, he got it handed to him, but that happens every once in a while too. If the defense avoids a great lineman, that is overloading the opposite side, or just keeping their best passrusher away from him, then the OT benefits, because he doesn't give up sacks. If the offense avoids a great DE, by double teaming, or running most plays away from him, then he's going to be hurt, because he won't put up numbers. They aren't really comparable statistically.
