If this Shaun Rogers trade actually happens and Mangini gets rid of Robertson it will only be the beginning. Mangini is cleaning house and bringing in guys that fit HIS systems. Vilma looks to be on his way out also. He's getting rid of all the guys from the Edwards' regime. I can't believe Sutton is still around. Pennington could be traded. McCareins and Barrett should be cut. Mangini and Tannenbaum are hopefully going to build this team from the ground up. It's face-lift time...finally.
He should've done this from the very beginning. Mangini has his system and the players who don't fit should've been moved, especially when their value was higher (Vilma). This team has a lot of holes and I would trade them all (Coles, Pennington, Vilma, Robertson) for the best possible deal. We need a complete makeover.
Cutting two guys and trading two guys doesn't amount to what the dolphins are doing over in Miami...they cut like 9 guys or something like that no? Traded Chambers? I like what the Jets are doing, but I don't think we can compare ourselves to the Dolphins. We aren't nearly as bad and require much less work then they do.
We ARE in better shape than the Dolphins, that's why they cut 9 players and the Jets will probably get rid of about 5 or 6. I didn't say anything about the Dolphins. Every team that Parcells goes to, he rebuilds it by bringing in his own players. Parcell guys. ...and Parcells didn't trade Chambers. That was an idiotic trade. Mangini had to, I guess, get the teams full support before dumping some of Herm's veteran guys. He couldn't have come in a traded all of those guys right off the bat. He wouldn't have any respect from the players.
Honestly, I think he needs to bring in his guys, but i seriously doubt that we should be throwing some of our best guys at their respective positions out on the street. Vilma is the second best ILB we have, and low and behold we need 2 of those. Robertson is our best d-lineman, and low and behold our DL sucked so bad we only had 29 sacks, so lets trade our best DL away. Coles is our best reciever, and we don't have a guy ready to break out and emerge waiting in the wings, so trading him leaves us j-mac, and brad smith to play opposite cotchery. That is officially suicidal. Pennington is the only one you could argue is worth trading, all be it he is the best backup in the league right now, there is at least an argument for saying we dont need to pay him starters money to ride the pine...
...be prepared for hard times in '08. I have faith in Tangini though. This team will get back to being a playoff caliber team by '09.
When I made mention of Chambers I was aware that Pacells was not involved in that trade. My point was that I think ANYONE who was GM of the Dolphins would be doing the exact same thing. The dolphins without Parcells would be doing the exact same shit. That was my point...
I don't think they would. I doubt they would've cut Zach Thomas. Parcells is also considering getting rid of Jason Taylor. Parcells is on a different level than anyone else in this league when it comes to fixing teams. Phil Savage, the GM of the Browns, is building a damn good team in Cleveland though. It takes time to become a dominant team.
Well, from what you are prognosticating, I would say "radical overhaul" rather than face-lift cosmetics. Somebody says we're looking for a 3rd round draft pick for Vilma. What about Dwayne?
agreed....anyone with half a brain in miami would have trimmed plenty of fat off that roster by now..... just because its parcells its big news.... jil
well you have a #4 pick and a #11 pick that will get you no higher than a low 2nd rounder....... not a good return on your investment but at this point the jets have no choice but to move BOTH of them. jil
As a head coach, Cam Cameron didn't have a fully functional brain. Parcells will turn the Fins around.
Parcells comes in and dumps who he wants to dump. Mangini should have done the same thing. The way you get your team's respect is by establishing who is boss, by improving the team's standing and by importing enough guys who have no affiliation in the locker room that it doesn't turn into us vs them. When Mangini made the move to a 3-4 he should have traded D-Rob, who has absolutely no viable position in that scheme, immediately. He should have traded Vilma after 2006 when it became clear that he was not a star caliber player in the 3-4 and often barely held his own. By delaying both moves Mangini has contributed greatly to the Jets defense sucking in the transition to the 3-4 and in the defense declining from 2006 to 2007. Truth be told Mangini had no business moving the Jets to a 3-4 in 2006. He should have stayed in the 4-3 and gradually acquired the players he needed to fit out his 3-4. If he's fired after next season that will be the biggest single reason.
Well said- it's insulting to compare the decisiveness by which Parcells acts to the waffling that Mangini has done. Did we really need 2 years to know D-Rob was not a nose-tackle or that Vilma wasn't a fit for the 3-4?
I would much rather get the growing pains out of the way now, then fill the positions needed for this 3-4. Nothing is ever perfect when you first start it, so now they have a good idea on what is needed to make this work. Instead of keeping the 4-3, that you already know you wont be keeping. Gathering the talent to fit your 3-4, then implementing the scheme after you had aquired the talent. Just to have your players looked confused, and playing down their potential because of the growing pains of the scheme. Which IMO, would look worse for the CS.
As opposed to playing your players out of position in the new scheme, making them look confused and downplaying their potential because no matter how good the scheme is they don't fit it? That would be like drafting two first round offensive linemen in 2006 and then putting mediocre to bad people around them and having the offensive line turn into a mess. Oh, right...
I hope he finally is clearing out the Edwardsian garbage. Knowing what a fan of subterfuge Mangini is, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that he waited this long to both evaluate what he has, and to gain the trust of the individuals he intends to keep. I am a Jets fan first. Not a Penny fan, not a Vilma fan, not a Coles fan (though he's great). I like all of our guys, but support doing what's best for the team. Go Jets.
Unfortunately he is acting like BP in thisn situation and we'll lose quality players for very little just like Parcells got rid of talented players like Hugh Douglas and Jeff Graham for nothing.
