In his first year -- he seemed to be absolutely sharp as a tack. The team was disciplined. They knew the rules. They "quick counted" when appropriate -- they beat people onto the field and caused the other team to waste time outs. They entered the 4th q with all three times outs. It was a welcome change from Herm who was always confused. Last year, mangini slipped. Got more conservative, etc. This year we look like any other team on the coaching side. Even I knew that the pats were going to bring the punt team in AGAIN, but the jets looked perplexed. Thats something we should do to other teams. Pathetic. I think when he became a celeb he lost his edge. I really think, and this is not too judge, that a 38 year old coach, with young kids, wife -- its too much. The NFL coaches are nuts. 24/7. I think that Mangini used to be like that but now is not. (I OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW -- but I am guessing). The Pats got into our heads yesterday by doing that crap and we should be better prepared. I am not talking about PLAY CALLING -- Im talking about the sense -- that I had in his FIRST year -- that he had everything planned. (Remember for example -- that the first Giant Stadium scrimmage that he insisted that everything be "so" -- because he wanted to make sure everything was thought of. That is gone, it seems)
All I want to know is what the hell happened to the risk taker who tries a onside kick to start the second half. Did someone neuter the SOB, because we don't take any chances at all.
It seems the offense has lost sight of what they are supposed to do. I see so many sweeps and so many sidelines passes... why are they not trying to go forward rather than sideways? No guts.
The problem is that Mangini never really figured out what went right in 2006. It was such a huge combination of things that he tried with hard practices and frequent punishment laps, with Teddy Atlas and the boxing movies, with the no-huddle and misdirection offenses, with the frequent safety blitzes and the shifts on the defensive front to confuse blockers, with the special teams playing light's out every game, etc. So last year he doesn't have a lot of that working and so he clings to Chad much longer than he should have, thoroughly demoralizing the team because they knew even better than we did that Chad just wasn't getting the job done. He stays with Vilma and D-Rob in the 3-4, even though it's obvious to even a casual observer that they are getting pushed around and causing the 3-4 to be soft up the middle. By the time you get to camp this year Mangini is nearly a year and half removed from the last time the Jets were any good under his leadership and he doesn't like what he's seeing out of Clemens and he's afraid to hand the team back to Chad and so the Jets grab the lucky straw that pops up in Brett Favre. Only the real problem is not that the Jets don't have a QB. The real problem is Mangini couldn't make one work out of the options he had available. Like the offensive line last year there was a big glaring problem in his face and he couldn't figure it out. He got lucky in 2006. It was a good ride, but it's over.
Zero creativity, zero excitement on offense. Did we run on first down every series? It seemed like it.
Putting the W-L record aside in mangini's first year, his coaching methods, knowledge, and philosophy, IMO, stood head and shoulders above what the jets had the previous 5 years. so the results during year one were magnified to a degree and the expectations were set rightfully high. the program is still much better now than it was taking all things into consideration. its not translating into W-L but it will - assuming stability at the QB position post Favre. jil
I beg to differ that Mangini is not sharp any more and i will give three examples from yesterday's game. I was there, so I do not know if the announcers said anything. 1) Quick Snap - He got the Offense Moving and ran a sort of Busted Play that Leon washing ran to the 3 yard line, after Stuckey cuaght a pass that could have hit the ground and caused a challenge. 2) He ran down the line called a timeout on a Pats Punt Attempt. I think he was expecting a fake. Bellicheck then decided to go for it, then punted anyway. 3) On a Punt that went into the End Zone, The Pats were called for Illegal Formation. The Refs spotted the ball on the 20, after the said the Jets declined the penalty. Mangini argued and had the Penalty tacked on 5 yards. Now, I do agree he is too conservative. He is still coaching this years team, like they have the players of last years team. But, to his credit, he is getting absolutely, nothing from the Special Teams right now. I know ST is not the biggest thing in Football, but to be thoroughly outplayed in that area, it magnifies what shortcomings you have on offense and defense.
Good points. (The quick snap was a good call -- although it may have been Favre's) However: I think that he got out thought on the punt though. They looked totally baffled when the punt team ran on the field again. They did nothing to push the pats -- whether it be no huddle or something to keep the pats having to adjust. While the three runs from the 3 were ridiculous -- I have no problem with them running the ball. The Pack ran the ball last year well and it immeasurably helped Favre. I just think that Mangini showed he could be ahead of the curve, and has not been since the end of 06.
i cant stand the way shotty runs an offense. its pathetic and predictable as all hell. any coach with a brain and decent talent can stop that offense. this isnt pop warner you cant be that predictable.
i honestly 100% felt that was coming yesterday... but i'm glad it didn't. you know belli would have been ready for it
All things considered, I'd rather have Mangini than Brad Childress. Today, though, that's like brussel sprouts vs. lima beans - they're both the devil's vegetable.
What you posted is usually the sign of a coach that is afraid he is going to get the axe at season end
I watched that Minny/Indy game at the difference between BC is he does not have a QB whereas Man has a HOF QB. How about Shanny yesterday going for a 2 pointer to WIN the gave instead of the normal PAT?
Ah the thrust of the post iis Man has lost his nerve so OTH I gave a incident oof a HC who has guts. Take it for what it is worth & Shanny deserve much kudos for trying it
I think that the lack of creativity is the least of the problems. (Like -- Favre could have audibled out of one of the three plays??) The big issue is looking like we reacted to EVERYTHING? What happened to the no huddles? What happened to the defense adjusting? Etc. What happened to doing these that catch the other team (and defense by surprise).
