This whole "Mangini guy" garbage needs to stop. He is essentially a nobody who has never even coached a pro game in his life; now you guys are psychoanalizing him like you have known him your whole life. The bottom line is that you know nothing about him as a person, nor do you know anyting about what kind of players he likes. So think about that before assuming that Mangini only likes "good characters" or "team first" guys, cause none of you really know anything about him. So until we find out more about Mangini, stop assuming that certain guys are "Mangini Guys." hmy: Here come the people bashing me because they think they know enough about Mangini to make foolish assumptions about what kind of players he likes. Oh No!
Keeping with the football/NFL theme of the board. I hope you get cut. :lol: Seriously IMO, you have no value. You've made like 2-3 posts of the same thing about Mangini (almost carbon copies), and 2-3 posts of the same thing about Mario Williams. The rest hasn't been much better (you only have 8 total). So yeah "n00b," continually posting the same stuff over and over does not validate and make your opinion the right one.
Umm, I'm not going to bash you, however, I think the opinion that player a, b, or c is or isn't a Mangini guy comes from the fact that he flat out said he wants guys who work hard, love football, and will do whatever it takes to win. Now I don't recall his exact words, but that is pretty close. It isn't like he only said it once either. He said it at his introduction, and he reiterated it in his first Jets Nation interview. Of course we don't know EXACTLY what is on his mind, but judging by the guys who have been signed so far, and comparing them to what Mangini has actually said, we have a pretty good idea of a Mangini guy.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=100572&postcount=14 Did you change anything in your post?
dude i was thinking the same exact thing....hey mangenius why the hell would you create that name????do you know he's a genius????do you even know if hes of average intelligence.....you may be right,perhaps we are jumping the gun with our assumptions of what he likes(even though he did say it) but your name is mangenius??????????:lol:
Actually I just needed a clever name. I have no idea how smart Mangini is. I copied my post from the other thread to make sure that everyone would see it. And as for calling me a "noob" I may only have a few posts on this account, but i have had other names in the past, and I can assure you that I know just as much (if not more) than any poster on this site with regards to jets football. And I want you to know that I'm not hating on Mangini, I seriously hope that he is better than Herm; however, I have become fed up with people making assumptions about what type of player he likes. And if you say that a Mangini guy is a hard working player, then you could say that he is a (insert any other coach in the history of sports) player.
He hasn't done anything yet in a game, true. But he has signed guys (T. Dwight, Kimo V.O., Chatham, Kassel, Pope) that fit this definition. Not necessarily hugely talented, but high motor guys with good character and smart. So I'd say he is proving it with his actions...
But seriously, name one player in this league who isn't hard working. And don't make a foolish statement like "TO isn't hard working" or "Ricky Williams isn't hard working" because if anyone of you have ever participated in any sport beyond the high school level, you will truly know how hard someone has to work to even step on an NFL field. So tell me, who could Mangini have possibly signed who is not a "Mangini Guy" aka hard working player. And just because a player is not that talented but is signed by Mangini does not automatically make him have good character.
Mangini has revealed very little about his coaching style, personnel plans or gameday strategy in his ~3 months on the job. But in every interview I've read or seen, he's said one thing consistently: he wants hard working, selfless, smart guys who love football. It's like a broken record. Now you can argue whether a player tabbed as a "Mangini Guy" actually has those characteristics. We're not scouts, we don't know really. But I'm not sure you can say that someone's off-base in stating what characteristics he's looking for in his players. It's really the only thing I think I know about EM (other than the fact he was called "Rib Boy" when he worked for the Browns).
Dan Wilkinson is not a hard working player. Mike Williams is not a hard working player. Jarrett Payton is not a ahrd working player.
Those were the words I was looking for! Mangenius, it isn't just about hard working. It's about committment to something above yourself. TO is not a team player, there's really no arguing that. His workout regimen must be good, the guy is in great physical shape. The point? He is a great football player, but not a Mangini guy. Abraham worked his ass off last year to come back and play 16 games. He accomplished the goal. He also had a poor attitude this offseason. Result? Not a Mangini guy. Mangini is looking for "total package" type players. They don't have to be the best at their position, but they have to be serviceable. They don't have to be field generals, but they do need to be great troops. He is looking for the typical Parcells/Bellichek role players. Do what you do, to the best of your ability, and let the coaches fill in the blanks.
Presumably, he's crafting his shtick from the New England Football For Dummies book. If true, and it certainly sounds like the same brand of stuff, then the next overused line is going to be, "football is important to him." I don't think that it's unfair for people to characterize the type of guy he's looking for by using the statements he's made along with the profile of players from the organization he just left. I guess I'll also disagree with a handful of others in this thread. It's a valid enough point for discussion. Might be the scolding tone that turned people off, but it's fair game for talk.
Can you give a link to one of these so called statements when he says what type of player he is looking for? I thought you had to post links on this site...
This isn't even truly linkable material. He said it at his introductory press conference, and repeated it on Jets Nation. I am sure it was probably in print in other places, but its not like only one person saw it. There have been a few posts in this thread alone that obviously saw it. I understand if you don't believe us, but trust me, he said these things, and more than once. Did you miss the press conference? I can understand Jets Nation, but I sort of assumed ALL Jets fans saw the press conference.
Alio, I did find it. Just so Mangenius can go to bed and sleep well tonight. Check the last paragraph. http://www.courant.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets294679964mar29,0,16227.story?coll=ny-jets-print Upbeat guy Mangini optimistic about Chad, Martin and draft possibilities March 29, 2006 BY BOB GLAUBER, Newsday Staff Correspondent LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- If Eric Mangini thought his life was a whirlwind since becoming Jets coach in January, nothing measures up to what happened Friday night on his way to the NFL owners' meetings. "Probably the toughest moment of all this was trying to get my 2-year-old and my newborn [son] on the plane," Mangini said yesterday at a coaches' breakfast. "It was dual meltdowns. That was tough, legitimately tough. It was a complete disaster. That's when I'm thinking, 'OK, this is tough. This is legitimately hard.'" When he and his wife, Julie, couldn't console 1-month-old Luke, Mangini was beside himself. "You can't reason with him, you can't make him run, you can't fine him, you can't cut him," he said. It's easier to be at the office, where Mangini has managed the difficult task of overhauling the roster and preparing for next month's draft. Here's what he's thinking on a number of fronts: Chad Pennington: The Jets quarterback continues to rehab from shoulder surgery, although his long-term prognosis remains somewhat guarded. Pennington has resumed throwing, but Mangini wasn't certain when he'd be back to full strength. "He's doing exactly what's expected of him. There's really no timetable set. Wherever he's going to be, I couldn't tell you. In terms of his program, he's on target, and that's encouraging. His progress has been positive. The fact that he does have more time [than after last year's surgery] is a benefit to us. "I've only known him a small amount of time, but he works as hard as anybody that I've seen. He's just wired that way. He's working at this rehab as hard as he works at the game plan, and that's what's going to give him a chance to be successful." The draft: The Jets have the fourth overall choice, but could be in position to move up to select one of the top quarterbacks - Matt Leinart of USC, Vince Young of Texas or Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt. Mangini would not say if the Jets would take a quarterback with their top pick. "They're all great players, but I want to make sure we're getting a great person, too. This whole block of time will be used to sort that out with the scouts, spending time individually, getting to know them. It will all sort itself out the more we learn about them." On Young's low Wonderlic scores: He scored 7 out of 50 the first time he took the intelligence test (initially thought to be 6, but incorrectly scored by the test-giver), and got 16 on a re-test. "I've been around players that have had low Wonderlic scores that have been some of the smartest players I've ever coached," Mangini said, "and that's always the difficulty with looking at that score and defining a player with that score." On how much Curtis Martin has left: "He understands that it's about competition. He's never shied away from that. That's what makes him so special. Don't underestimate him. Whenever you underestimate him, he kills you. I think Curtis is going to be as competitive as he always has been." On being the NFL's youngest coach at 35: "It's always been like that. When I was with the Jets the first time [as defensive backs coach], it was me, Bill [Belichick], Romeo [Crennel] and Al [Groh]. I was pretty young compared to those guys." On what he looks for in players: "It's all the intangibles: smart, hard-working, tough, competitive, selfless, and football is important to them. If [a scout] brings them to me, they'd better have those qualities. Your name is associated with the player you bring to me. If they don't have it, there's going to be a problem."
