Our history in the 2nd round is absolutely atrocious and I started to think several years ago that we should just start trading out of the 2nd round all together. With this trade, we no longer have that option for this year and the next. However, things are absolutely looking up. We did not give up our 2019 1st round. Imo, the trade to #3 for a potential FQB is definitely worth it and in reality we only really giving up two 2nd rounders. How we got Kearse and a 2nd for Richardson is mind-boggling. With that trade we still came out ahead, even after giving up #49, because we still have Kearse. So if you break it down, it is practically two 2nd rounders. The price really is not that steep, especially considering our ABYSMAL history in the 2nd round. For anyone against this trade, just take in the following: Since 1990 here are our following 2nd round picks. The first group are the busts and the second group are the ones that panned out. Bust: Hackenberg, Devin Smith, Jace Amaro, Geno Smith, Stephen Hill, Vlad Ducasse, Kellen Clemens, Justin Miller, Mike Nugent, Victor Hobson, Jon McGraw, LaMont Jordan, Dorian Boose, Rick Terry, Alex Van Dyke, Ryan Yarborough, Coleman Rudolph, Kurt Barber, Browning Nagle, and Reggie Rembert. Panned out: Maye, David Harris, and Randy Thomas. Can you really be that upset? The chances are, based on the trend of the last 28 years, we have a 13% chance that one of the 2nd rounders will turn out to be a solid player. We have an 87% that they will be an absolute bust. Couple this with the success %, in general, for the 2nd round and the probability that BOTH will become solid, it is an absolute no brainer. We would be lucky to have even ONE of the 2nd rounders turn out like Harris or Thomas. Both picks panning out is a pipe dream. So, is the risk of trading up for a FQB worth a David Harris and a Jace Amaro, Stephen Hill, LaMont Jordan, or Victor Hobson? Most definitely.
Thank You......some people will complain he traded too soon......but what if Buffalo or another team traded with the Colts ? Then people will say Mac didn't act fast enough.........have to consider this point....now Buffalo will have to give up a lot more to trade with the Giants....and the Jets will still have one of the top 3 QBs....
Great post. The likelihood that the Jets nail all 3 of the 2nd round picks they gave up is so slim. It "could" happen, but the percentages are not in favor of that outcome. Get the QB right, and profit for a very long time.
Trust me if they hit on a QB here...NOBODY will remember they gave up two second rounders.....wait a minute - yes they will...they'll be calling it a stroke of genius...
And if they bust at 3, which is far more likely, this will be known as one of if not the worst trade in franchise history. It could top even the Dewayne Robertson trade due to importance of position.
You mean me or the Jets? The Jets did this in fear that the Bills were going to leap them into the top 5 and steal their guy. And they could still do it by trading with the Giants. The freaking Jets. How bad are they that we now consider the second round an expendable currency?
The Jets. I know you don't fear much that isn't coming out of the clouds. I don't think it was a fear move, I think it was a smart move to prevent a number of teams of beating them to the punch. Taking the initiative isn't cowardice, it is smart and aggressive. I could be totally wrong here but Mac has never seemed like a whimsical GM. Between the Richardson trade and the way the Jets are using that capital, this feels measured, which means the pick will be too. As for the second round being expendable, the Jets have been treating the second round as expendable currency even when they had the damn picks. If the Jets don't totally screw the pooch on the QB choice, having that QB will hold more value than the combined total of what we could've gotten out of all 3 second round picks, assuming we actually somehow hit all 3.
You're looking at the best case scenario. How has that worked for you as a fan of this team? I'm looking at this with the knowledge and awareness that the guys choosing the QB are the same ones that picked Hack in round 2, signed McCown and Fitz to start, and started Petty for almost half a season. The Jets are a team that doesn't understand the QB position, and just traded 4 early picks to draft a QB. The guy they choose better be so ready to start on day 1 that it's unprecedented. Because he's on his own.
At most it is 3 early picks. We swapped firsts, so it is 3 second rounders. One second rounder was a windfall. Imo it is practically 2 early picks. But in no way is it 4.
Mac hasn't screwed up either of his top 10 1st round picks. In this case, through my own research, my belief is that the ability for the Jets to epicly fail with this pick is very low. The only cause for concern, in my view, is Josh Allen being taken seriously as a top 3 pick. This is where I'm vulnerable in terms of my faith that this will go well for the Jets. That said, I view Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen as all being franchise caliber QBs. That doesn't mean they will be equals but it does mean the Jets can advance the position and the team beyond what they've been able to do in a very long time, regardless of which they end up with. I love Mayfield, and hope like hell he's the one we end up with. Either way, just let it not be Allen.
Byz I agree with this and my fear is that we are trusting Mac who I have zero faith in to take the right guy,,,I hope he does but his history is that he won't. The other thing is the HC is not gonna play the rookie QB over Mccown------the other fly in the ointment is that our beloved front office will not even draft a QB at # 3 then people including me just lose their minds .
Are you really ready to believe the first round prowess of Macc after Leo and Jamal fell to him? They were two of the top prospects in their respective drafts and although I think they have great ceilings, have they really met expectations? And neither of them is a QB, the position of most importance. I think you're being jaded. I get it. But it's not realistic to think we're going to just find THE GUY by trading up. I actually agree with you about Mayfield, but he'd probably bust with the Jets and play with a chip with the Bills or Dolphins, and the latter 2 scenarios will probably be the reality.
I credit Mac with not trading up in those two drafts and ending up with those guys anyway. In my opinion, he's determined that will not be the case this year with the guys he wants, which is why this time we actually are moving up. Totally speculation, and perhaps giving Mac too much credit, but it would be crazy to trade up to #3 six weeks before the draft unless you were absolutely sure you were going to get a player you value that highly there. I think they have three targets. If those targets are Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield, then it was a good trade. If Allen is somewhere in there, it wasn't a good trade. Either way, watching the Jets makes us all jaded. I'm not giving up. I'm living my life with ADHD, major depression, and anxiety disorders. I don't need the Jets if they are going to be another negative in my life, so I choose not to view it that way.
Ugh... Lots of bad memories in that list of busts. My sole objection would be including LaMont Jordan on it. He was pretty solid for us, and probably had the best TD celebration in the team's history - The Chainsaw.
I don't like that you're dealing with all of that because I have always liked you as a member of this forum. If you are, I suggest finding things that give you some sort of satisfaction in life because you are not going to get that from the New York Jets. I'm not joking at all about this. The NFL is a rigged game that is sliding toward being a full on gambling enterprise. You can find much better things to do with your life than follow this team.
