Kaepernick’s agents tell reporters they’ve asked for a trade

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  1. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...B - SNF on NBC&utm_tags=srm[football,article]
     
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    in before "trade for that beast"
     
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  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Kaepernick is an absolute moron if he doesn't want to stay in that easy one-read system and let Kelly reinvent him as a passer but also a runner.

    San Fran isn't in the best roster situation but they have what $50+ million in cap space, 12 draft picks and Kelly being able to scout the Pac 12 in his own back yard for his system. They could be a team on the rise if they play free agency and the draft correctly, even though they're in a tough division.
     
  4. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    I see Kap as a Geno type player, has the physical talent but the head is no so good.
     
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    Seems like a natural fit. He must have a bug up his ass with upper management and wants out?
     
  6. RuJFan

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    Even if he has a bug, the smart move would be to stay put, get your stock up under new HC and THEN move away, if you wanna stick it to the FO. And command higher salary in the process.

    It gives credence to Kaep not being the brightest bulb.
     
  7. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Kap has a better than 2-1 career TD/Int ratio so that alone tells me he's much smarter with the football than Geno. He's also a better athlete and a much bigger threat running the football.

    I don't really like running QB's because they generally have a short shelf life, but at the right price it could be worth the risk IMO.
     
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  8. Jersey Joe 67

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    That's just it I can't see him being had for anything less the starting QB price which is pretty high of a risk IMO.
    I realize all the deficiencies in Fitz' game but he's a great team guy who's building great chemistry with our top offensive weapons . I'd rather sign Fitz and look for the future in Petty &/or the draft .


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  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I'm in the Fitz corner, but Kap's age is definitely part of the draw. If someone like Gaily can figure out how to get out of him what Harbaugh got out of him he could be a long term highly productive QB. That is until he gets broken into 1,000,000 microscopic pieces by JJ Watt.
     
  10. Jersey Joe 67

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    I get where you're coming from


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  11. Sam Hammer

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    I'm pretty sure it's all Kaepernick's agent. I can't see any other teams in the league taking on 11m for a guy that can barely start unless the team is absolutely stacked.
     
  12. The Waterboy

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    $14.3 this year and average of almost $18M over the remaining 5 years. San Fran would also take a $7.5M dead money hit if he was traded.
     
  13. KingRoach

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    If he gets traded, SF is still on the hook for the signing bonus I believe so the numbers would be more like this
    13.5 this year
    16.9 next year,
    17.5 2018
    19.2 2019
    21.4 2020

    Plus he has a 2m deceleratior so if he doesn't play like an all pro or Super Bowl he only makes 11.5 next year and 14.9 the next. If he doesn't work out the cap hit is only 2.5 the third year. Doesn't sound too bad to me.
     
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    The way I read it was he had $12M in escalators available meaning the other contract years could increase by $2M, I don't see how $2M would come off anything, he just would not have it escalate if he did not play to an All Pro level.

    2016 his salary is $11.9M, $2M roster bonus and $400K workout bonus for $14.3M cap hit to anyone taking on his contract. Not bad for a starting QB but he was benched for a reason and $14.3M for a back up is way too much.
     
  15. KingRoach

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    I've seen your numbers. Here's my source.
    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/colin-kaepernick/

    This one might better explain the decelerates and the difference in numbers.
    http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/6/5/5782136/colin-kaepernick-contract-details-49ers-salary-cap-2014

    His base is down bc of last years decelerator and the roster bonus is lower (I'm assuming) bc he owes for last years roster bonus which is based on games played.
     
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    I laughed soooo hard at your calling Kaep not the brightest bulb.
    How would you propose he gets out of his contract and command a higher salary after getting his stock up? I'm sure there's lots of players out there who would love to know how that would be done.
    Shit you'd make millions as a sports agent.
    "Sign a contract last year? Have a better than expected year this year? Let RuJFan void your old contract and get you a new one. And don't worry, if you fail to live up the the new numbers it's legally binding."
     
  17. The Waterboy

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    If you look at your second link, it shows base salary of $13.9M in 2016, $16.5M in 2017 and $17M in 2017, take your $2M de-escalator off those figures and you come up with the Spotrac figures of $11.9M, $14.5M and $15M, now add in the roster bonus and workout bonus and you have $14.3M, $16.9M and $17.4M. The last figures would be without the $2M escalator. (Spotrac shows $1.125M roster bonus this year while it is showing as $2M everywhere else)

    Only way he is just making $11.9M is without the roster bonus, workout bonus and escalator. There is no way I see him losing all 3. Anyway still too much for a back up which is how you have to look at him at this point.
     
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    Kap is dumb as rocks and he cannot think the game.......he's kinda done
     
  19. KingRoach

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    My number was never 11.9 it was 13.5 which is less than yours bc he's not getting a full roster bonus. He's not getting a full roster bonus bc it's based on games. He didn't play all the games so he doesn't get all the bonus. Get it?

    I'm not familiar with the escalator you refer too. The way I read it is his salary goes down 2 mil every year he underperforms. I.e. If he doesn't deliver next year his base will go down another 2mil.

    I don't have an opinion about him either way, I'm just trying to help some people understand the contract better. It's not a bad contract. If he plays like a champ he gets paid like a top 7 qb. If he plays less good then he'll get paid about middle of the pack.... And there's minimal dead money after the 2017 season. Obviously paying a benchwarmer 12 mil/year+ isn't ideal so the question is "would Chan be able to get out him what Harbaugh did?" Is the answer is yes then it's a great deal. If the answers no then it's a bad deal. If the answer is in the middle then the deal is eh somewhere in the middle.
     
  20. The Waterboy

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    I'm not going to keep with the back and forth but per game roster bonuses get paid if you are on the roster. It doesn't matter if you sit the bench, don't suit for games only if you are on the roster. He was on the roster all year last year and if he gets cut will be the only time he does not get a roster bonus.
    $11.9M base, $2M roster bonus, $400K workout bonus, unless he is cut he makes minimum $14.3M next year with the chance to add $2M if he is All Pro.
     

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