Well it appears not only the fans of the green and white are spilt and or confused about the 2006 Draft. In the New York Post, Mark Cannizzaro believes we have all but eliminated the Big 3 QB's, Leinart, Young and Cutler. However, in the Newark Star Ledger, Dave Hutchinson believes that Jay Cutler is the man, and if Ngata is picked by the Bills, a traded of the Jets 29th and 35th picks for the Ravens 13th, will occur. Then, on the internet you will see DBrick all over the 4th spot and the Jets. Cimini has stated in today's New York Daily News that the Jets will sorely miss Abe and his pass rushing skills, which leads me to believe he would take Mario over Leinart (If the Saints took Brick. With all that said, it's nice to see that not only the fans that have no access to coaches and scouts are all over the place in projecting the Jets 4th pick. Also, I heard on ESPN that Phil Simms called Jay Cutler the "safest pick" in the draft. Hmmm, take that stament however you want too but it seems like high praise.
I can't come remotely close to agreeing with that. I'm not a Cutler-basher, but how can a QB with a losing career record be considered the safest pick?
let me correct my self, the safest pick out of the projected first-round QB's, still i would think your assesment would stay the same..lol
Jaworski says the same thing about Cutler as Simms! Because the numbers he posted shows that he's a good QB with a crappy team around him...It's not all his fault that his team loses all the time....if he puts up forty some points and the D gives up more how can that be his fault!! Who knows how well he would've done if he played with the teams Leinart and Young had and how bad they would've been behind his OL! You take any NFL QB and put them behind our OL last year and we still would only have 4 wins! I would love to get Cutler but we'd be better off trading down to get him!
So.... Cutler should have gone to a Division II school, and won, like McNair did? You draft the player, not the team.... and the three guys that study game tape the most, Mayock, Jaworski and Simms all rate Cutler as the top QB. They aren't trying to forecast the draft like Kiper or Clayton.... they are forecasting how well those players will do. There is a big difference.
I really do hope that we stay away from a QB with our first pick. At this point I am much more comfortable letting Ramsey have a legitimate shot at running our offense. Personally I feel he is perfectly suited to handle the QB slot for us as we rebuild this team. He is one tough SOB. The job that Bollinger did last year was excellant all factors considered. Ramsey is like Bolly but plus talent. Will Ramsey lead us to a SB year 1? Hell no. Can his career be revived by Schott to the point where he is the future of our franchise at QB? That's a safe bet in my book.
You might think Ramsey is all of the above, i doubt that our FO thinks Ramsey can be a #1 and lead us to the Super Bowl down the road. By giving up their 6th round pick, the Jets are looking for a one year stop gap guy who can be a better backup then Brooksy
you very well may be right. But here's to hoping the Jets can get someone from another team and coach him to become better than he was. As opposed to having players leave only to realize their true potential.
imo, ramsey is a goner in 07'...here's to a good year for either penny, ramsey or the the day 1 qb we draft
FYI, here's Simms' analysis from nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9393386). He has some disclaimers in here about the fact he is basing his analysis on just the video tape of each player he could get his hands on. It would be interesting to see what analysis he had on his son Chris. (April 24, 2006) -- Before I get into an evaluation of the big three quarterbacks who are expected to go high in this weekend's NFL Draft, let me just say this: When people ask me about draft prospects -- quarterbacks or otherwise -- I go only by what I judge on film. I didn't get to meet these guys, work them out in person, see what kind of person they are. I don't get that opportunity. But neither do a lot of people who have such hard, hard opinions on these quarterbacks. They haven't personally worked them out and talked to them enough to know what they are all about. But they make these assessments that have no grey area whatsoever. I just laugh at this. That said, I have had a chance to watch the big three quarterbacks on TV a lot. I saw most of the games live on TV for Vince Young and Matt Leinart. Jay Cutler was the odd-man out in terms of exposure, having toiled at Vanderbilt, but I've seen enough of his game tapes in recent weeks. With that in mind, here are my thumbnail evaluations: VINCE YOUNG Vince Young's size and ability will make him hard to pass on in the draft. He's big, at 6-foot-5, 228 pounds, and he plays really big. When I say that, keep in mind it's the first thought I had about Ben Roethlisberger when he came out two years ago. He has a tremendous base -- his legs, size, just his natural strength. And he's tall. He looks and stands much taller than 6-5, and that will be a plus in the NFL. He's played with and against many great players, so the adjustment to the NFL will not be tremendous (that will be the case for all three of these players). Young is intriguing. Quarterback guru Jerry Rhome has worked out with him through the offseason and I'm very impressed with how he's done under Rhome's tutelage. Rhome has worked with many great QBs in the NFL. My idea of a great athlete is a guy who can "mimic" -- when you show him something, he can get a hold of it and learn it and do it right away. And that is very encouraging when you're trying to judge a quarterback. Young's arm strength is good -- not great by NFL standards, but good. He throws a tight spiral, which is very important. The downside is that you do have to be worried about the Wonderlic test. If you took the simplest offensive system among the 32 NFL teams, it's still extremely complex compared to college offenses. There is a tremendous amount of information in the NFL and quarterbacks do have to know it and it does come in handy. He can't just step out there and make plays. That's just not the way it is. The fact that he did not play in a conventional pro offense will make it tougher to adjust in the NFL as well, but when you're a good athlete, that can be overcome. MATT LEINART Matt Leinart has developed the skills needed to be a top QB in the NFL. In four years at USC, Leinart has learned some of the basics of being an NFL quarterback. Just look at Carson Palmer as an example. Both are good at dropping back, have good foot movement, deal with pressure in the pocket. Leinart's foot movement is better than people give him credit for. He is tall and that's a quality that is very good for a pocket passer. He plays tall. In Leinart, I see a very good delegator of the football. He finds the open guy pretty well. I would say he has good to very good accuracy underneath. I'm a big arm strength guy, and in the NFL, no matter what kind of quarterback you are, you have to be able to throw the underneath passes. In the championship game, he did that very well against a very good Texas Longhorns defense. His arm strength, no question, is going to limit some of the things he will do in the NFL. When you draw up plays, there are some things you can't do because of what he does. He's not going to throw 30-yard zingers into tight coverage in the NFL. That would be a downside. I also noticed that he does lose control of the football every once in a while; the ball sails high a little, probably because he doesn't put enough rotation on his passes. This can be a factor in cold weather. Can he learn to improve this? Absolutely. But that would be my concern with him. JAY CUTLER The most overrated player in the draft? That's pretty funny. I was very surprised when I watched Cutler on film for a couple of reasons. I didn't realize how good an athlete he is. He's big, very strong, and has an NFL body, especially for a quarterback. He plays big and he plays strong. He can move around much better than I thought. He ran some option, ran the football well. He can stand in, and deliver the ball downfield with accuracy and power even when getting hit. His arm strength is exceptional -- tremendous. And what I like so much about his arm strength is that on short passes he gets the ball to his targets quick so they have a chance to run with it. It's not a high-effort throw. He doesn't have to work hard to get the ball somewhere with speed. It's natural. I've read and heard from some NFL coaches that he tries to use his arm too much -- maybe tries to throw the ball hard when he shouldn't. I didn't notice that, but I did see him try to stick the ball into some tough spots. But I would look at that as a plus. At least a coach has the ability to tell a Jay Cutler to take something off his passes if he needs to. Cutler probably played in an environment that was most NFL-like for a quarterback. I watched about five Vanderbilt games, and he got hit a lot. He's used to making decisions and throwing from a position that is more like what he'll see in the NFL. There were a bunch of games that Vanderbilt would not have had a chance to win or stay close if he were not the quarterback. You could say that about Leinart and Young, but I'm not sure USC or Texas would have lost one or two games if their backup quarterbacks were in there. I don't know anything about the backup quarterback at Vanderbilt, but I know Cutler was always the best player on the field in their games. THE SAFE PICK What's interesting about these three quarterbacks is that we're dealing with three really different styles. For example, Vince Young is certainly capable of being a very good NFL quarterback … but it's a little unique and a little different. As an offensive coach, you're going to put in plays that you never put in before. Jay Cutler might turn out to be the safest pick of the top three QBs. I've heard it said that Cutler is the riskiest pick of the three because his name is not as big. I think it's actually the complete opposite. By NFL standards, the safest pick of the three is Cutler. He's big and strong, has enough mobility and can make all the throws. Whether it's the West Coast, East Coast -- whatever offense he gets drafted into, he's going to be able to adapt to it. I'm not sure you can say that about the other two. There are offenses in the NFL that are not made for Matt Leinart, because they love to throw the ball downfield. That's not what he is going to be great at. People compare Leinart to Tom Brady, and they like to talk about Brady's "intangibles" and leadership qualities, etc. But in my eyes, the quality that has made Tom Brady great is that he can really, really throw the football well. It's amazing how much smarter you can look as a quarterback if you can throw the ball that well. I don't mind people praising his other qualities, but his ability to "drive" the football, throw tight spirals and give his receivers a chance to run with the football is really the key. THE SLEEPER I've watched about seven or eight quarterbacks on tape pretty closely. But in my position, it's just not easy to get enough game film. I'm not paid to do this draft evaluation; I just do it because I'm nosy. But there was one quarterback I saw, albeit very briefly, who really caught my eye. I saw two throws made by Alabama State quarterback Tavaris Jackson, and I was really impressed. Then I saw a few more throws from him on NFL Network from his workout at the combine, and to say I was intrigued is an understatement. Wow! It looked big-time. Not just okay or good. What little I saw looked big-time. Then I found out a little bit about him. He started out at Arkansas and transferred to Alabama State because he was going to sit behind Matt Jones and Arkansas wanted him to switch positions. So he was good enough to be recruited by a Division I-A school and he must be a good athlete if they were willing to move him to another position. Jackson has good size, he's muscular, and has a fluid throwing motion, very fluid. He looked natural. We'll see what happens.
Steve McNair- Alcorn St. Trent Greene- Indiana Brett Favre- Southern Miss Terry Bradshaw- Lousiana Tech Rich Gannon- Delaware Ken OB- Cal- Davis Phil Simms- Morehead st. Doug Williams- Grambling Ron Jaworski- Youngstown St. Lousiana- lafeyette
Depends how you define "crappy" or "big name QB," but... McNair-Alcorn State Roethlisberger-Miami (OH) Leftwich-Marshall Pennington-Marshall Delhomme-Louisiana-Lafayette Favre-Southern Miss Warner-Northern Iowa Holcomb-Middle Tennessee State Culpepper-Central Florida Green-Indiana
Didn't see you posted this. I hit add reply, then typed it out, went to eat dinner, and posted it. But that's a good list right there.
Do you think it is possible that guys like that come up with this stuff to draw attention to themselves and have us talk about what they said? I could be totally wrong but maybe they are just looking for some press. But like i said i could be totally out in left field on that one.
No I don't think its possible! They would get the press no matter who they said this about and I think they all take alot of pride in their work and wouldn't make shit up just to draw attention to themselves. I think it says alot about Cutler that he gets praises from all three of them!
Jay Cutler was 5-6 this season for a team that hasn't had a winning record since 1982. Take a look John Elway's win loss record during college. The win loss record is important, but there are other intangibles that are more important like arm strength, accuracy, field vision. I'm not saying that Cutler has these because the only game I watched him in was the senior bowl, and he made some terrible reads, but a lot of experts talk about his comeback win over Tennessee and are enamored by his upside. John Elways College Career 1982 5 6 1981 4 7 1980 6 5 1979 5 5
