Just curious what the Jet Fans feel is a reasonable Time Frame to turn a 4-12 team around into a potential SB contender ?
Pretty dumb question when the team that went 4-12 you are referring to had made the playoffs 2 of the previous 3 years. There is no set timetable depends on the pieces in place, schedule , injuries etc. If you are referring to that you think the Jets should not have canned Mangina , If you show no growth as a coach and your playoff team goes to 4-12 , then your 8-3 team collapses down the stretch - I have no comment.
Considering our roster 2 years would be very optimistic.. but with proper management and coaching, becoming a legitimate Super Bowl contender in 3 years wouldn't be out the question.
The Jets made all the expensive off season player additions last summer after going 4-12 therefore I think it's reasonable to assume that this is the time frame we are starting with when we are talking about turning things around !!
Thanks for a fair and honest answer. I really believe after what I saw late-mid season with this group that two years was a possibility ( I admit to being on the optimistic side ) Cheers :beer:
i like the idea of this poll because some crazies on here are just that... crazy. but for a normal person only possible answer out of the ones you gave is 2 years.
There is no question that a team can go from a very poor record to being in the Super Bowl two seasons later, as several teams have done it in recent years ('96 Falcons, '97 Rams, '01 Panthers, '04 Bears), although it's obviously not typical. A one-year turnaround is obviously extraordinarily unlikely, and certainly not what I expected this season, but that really has nothing to do with whether the team was well-served by getting rid of Mangini, or would be well-served now by getting rid of Favre.
The Jets Organization and fans had three years to assess the productivity of Mangini. Because I am no expert on Mangini and because of these three years I will give them and the fans the benefit of the doubt regarding Mangini. The fans have had six months to assess Favre in a new system that most level headed people would agree would take two-three years to become a potential SB contender. I know we are living in "Some quick fix times" but talking about dumping Favre after only six months in this new system does seem just a little pre-mature and that's being polite !!!
You cannot build a SB contender in any amount of time when you are constantly changing personnel. The Jets are always changing personnel(well everyone is). Free Agency and salary cap have turned the NFL into a mediocrity contest(some call it parity), and turnover is alarming. But one position that you must build from within is QB; and doing what the Jets did this year is inexcusable with that in mind. It was not like the whole team was old....they just went to get an old QB who had nothing left and it was obvious to everyone but Favre and the Jets. If the Packers thought favre was their best option at QB, he would have been playing there. I always felt that rebuilding the right way, with the draft and filling small holes with FA takes 4-5 years. Chemistry, and talent melding takes time, and 2 years is too short most times. But you do not rebuild with a 39 year old QB. This is a no-no.
They were already labeled a Super Bowl contender after the Titans game. Besides, next year is proably going to have very little to do with this year in terms of continuity.
in todays nfl there are multiple turn around teams EVERY single year, schedule makes as much of a difference as does improvement. the dollfags would have never won 11 games playing the schedule they will play next year. i am actually willing to bet they will lose 10 games next year. then again we have what should be a very tough schedule too. this is one of the reasons i really dont care for the nfl as much as i used to. its too quick of a up and down from year to year. there is not nearly as much consistency as there once was.
4-12 is past history. This team has been down in the dumps for so dam long mediocre at best at times. The time to WIN is NOW.
Considering that Favre will be 40 next year and has annually threatened to retire for years, and that 3 of his last 4 seasons have been poor, it is not even slightly unreasonable to think that the only way to have thought of him was as a quick fix.
A quick patch job. Which tells me the coaching staff felt Clemens and Pennington werent tearing the place up. Its Ratliff time!
im really confused about this thread, if it is what i think it is, i think if we get rex ryan we have the talent to be in the deep playoffs next year
The team became 4-12 BECAUSE of Manwini's incompetence, ater the team went 10-4 the year before. In the meantime, the team traded away John Abraham, Jon Vilma, and every other good player who didn't fit the "Mangenius's" 3-4 scheme (or whatever it was--we never did get a good look at it, or any idea of how it was supposed to work, did we?). Also, when a team imports $140 million worth of talent after a 4-12 season and then brings in one of the greatest QBs of all time? Sorry, but the expectation is better than "Well, at least we did better than last year." Asking "how long it takes to turn around a 4-12 team" is as stupid as asking the old: "Why do you beat your wife?" In both cases, you're fishing for an answer that fits the question, and not looking for the truth.
