being at the yankee/orioles game saturday and watching Mussina pitch,I asked a question.my friend asked if Mike Mussina was a HOF pitcher. Mike Mussina IS NOT a HOF pitcher.yes he has been a very GOOD pitcher for most of his career.but he has not been GREAT.he has never won 20 games in a season.he has never won a CY Young Award and he has never won a world series.he has been on winning teams for MOST of his career.and he was never won as the ace of staff.
i don't think he is even close to a hof pitcher. he's been a very good pitcher, but he has never been the best pitcher even on his own team through his whole career.
I don't think Mussina belongs in the HOF, but besides 93 he was the best pitcher on the Orioles every full season he was there.
I agree. He's been a great pitcher, but not quite HOF material. He should definately garner a few votes, but won't get in.
No. No CY Young No 300 games No 20 games(though he might do it this year) The Hall of Fame, in both baseball and football, is now littered with so many very good but not great players that the only true measure these days is "first ballot" or not. This is a poor trend that wouldn't be served by adding a Mike Mussina to the mix. -X-
he was never great, but he was very good for a number of years. I'd say no, even though he has 7 seasons of 17 wins or more (he'll likely make it 8 this season)
i dont ever really hear much talk about him in the hall....he certainly is not hall calibur....very good, solid pitcher....not hall-bound
I think people would take into account, with Hershiser, his injuries. His accomplishments are rather untouchable. If Cone had more wins we wouldn't be having this discussion. His fall off was precipitous. He simply didn't take care of himself. Were he not such a hard living dude he probably would have been a first ballot guy. Cone had ALL TIME GREAT STUFF. Still, Cone gets in over Mussina because He won a CY Young He won 20 games TWICE He threw a perfect game Lead the league in strikeouts two consecutive seasons rings(and he was a major reason) -X-
No, Moose is not a Hall of Fame pitcher. Sure, those numbers are very important, and he doesn't have them, but he has had the ability to reach them. My opinion on Mussina is one that he solidified to me this year. He has hurt himself. He has always been too cerebral. It is well known that he has always done crossword puzzles before games. Not that crossword puzzles are bad, but is that really something you should be using to get ready for a big start? He has always, up until very late last year into this year, been a poor big game pitcher. He could never hack it in front of the bright lights. Had he developed the break he now has on his knurve earlier in his career, he would have easily won 20+ games multiple times. He also always had too soft of a locker room presense. Until spring training this year, he pretty much ignored everyone, and only spoke when spoken to. This year, however, he actively participated in tutoring some of the young pitchers. It seemed to honestly elevate his own game. Some of that may have had to do with the whole "Oh yeah, you know, I never thought about that" you get when you are teaching someone something. This year's Moose, if he had been that way for the past decade, would be a sure-fire HoFer one day. Too bad it is just one year at the tail end of his career.
Depends on these next few seasons, and how close he gets to 300 wins, 20 wins in a season, etc. When people break down his career, year-by-year, it is surprising how many HOF caliber years he has had. He has a shot, but right now he just misses out.
With a couple more good years, he will probably reach milestone numbers (250 wins, 2500 Ks {I think he reached that this year or will}) to get in via the Don Sutton Clause. You know, never (or hardly ever) considered the best pitcher in the league, but consistently good for a long period of time. I would not vote for a guy like that, but the baseball writers do. If you broke the Hall of Famers into two (or three) tiers, Mussina would appear on the bottom tier, if he someday were to be inducted.
Just a comparison of pitchers similar to Moose's stats. I know it is hard to read, so here is the links http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp2.cgi?I=mussimi01:Mike+Mussina&st=age&compage=36&age=36 http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mussimi01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp2.cgi?I=mussimi01:Mike+Mussina&st=career Sim Player From To Yrs W L WL% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO ERA+ +---+--------------------+---------+--+---+---+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+ Mike Mussina 1991-2005 15 224 127 .638 3.6412 443 443 0 56 23 0 3013.0 2874 1296 1219 323 684 2400 124 893* Juan Marichal 1960-1974 15 243 141 .633 2.8712 469 455 11 244 52 2 3501.3 3142 1320 1117 318 704 2302 122 888 Bob Welch 1978-1993 16 208 140 .598 3.3847 481 454 16 61 28 8 3023.3 2815 1254 1137 257 991 1925 108 871 Kevin Brown 1986-2001 15 180 118 .604 3.1833 402 399 1 72 17 0 2776.3 2588 1132 982 169 768 2021 130 867 Jack Morris 1977-1991 15 216 162 .571 3.7102 465 443 10 164 26 0 3289.3 2993 1489 1356 339 1178 2143 108 866 Tom Glavine 1987-2002 16 242 143 .629 3.3689 505 505 0 52 22 0 3344.7 3174 1388 1252 247 1140 2054 122 863* Carl Hubbell 1928-1939 12 216 121 .641 2.8036 442 351 74 224 33 32 2988.7 2827 1094 931 171 555 1424 139 860* Chief Bender 1903-1920 15 212 127 .625 2.4499 458 334 108 255 40 34 3016.0 2644 1108 821 39 711 1711 111 860* Jim Bunning 1955-1968 14 196 147 .571 3.1090 494 436 31 141 40 15 3219.0 2862 1247 1112 327 848 2493 120 857* Bob Gibson 1959-1972 14 225 141 .615 2.7886 448 410 17 232 54 4 3340.3 2764 1172 1035 211 1113 2786 133 857 David Cone 1986-1999 14 180 102 .638 3.1900 390 361 9 56 22 1 2590.0 2144 1011 918 212 985 2420 128 Mike Mussina 1991-2005 15 224 127 .638 3.6412 443 443 0 56 23 0 3013.0 2874 1296 1219 323 684 2400 124 +---+--------------------+---------+--+---+---+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+
no.. hes a good pitcher. Very consistent at being good. He has never had a great season and he has never had a bad season. just good, and good isnt good enough for the hall of fame..
Career ERA+ of 125. 1.181 career WHIP. It's close. He was at 224 wins coming into this year, and he's going to pitch a few more seasons. I think by the end of his career, he'll get in.
