i had a crazy thought today... i was watchng nfl live when they were talking bout bill cowher coaching the skins and they said cowher wont coach till 09, now im a big mangini fan, but if the jets suck next year what do you guys think of the jets firing mangini to get cowher. 1 do you think its possible and 2 do you think its a good idea he likes the 3-4 too so it wouldnt be that much of a change. just a thought, im not for it or against it just wondering
With a thread title like that, this will probably belong in the TT forum soon enough. You don't just dump a perfectly fine coach just because a possibly better one is available though. And even though it's probably not his final decision, I don't see Tannenbaum going along with it.
Even though I see very little potential for this to develop into a serious thread, here is my response anyway... I think it is very possible that, with another abysmal season in 2008, Mangini would be fired. In that situation, Cowher would be the guy I would want in here the most... The issue is that in Woody's short tenure as owner, he has shown a tendency to go after inexpensive, smaller named, inexperienced coaching and FO candidates, as opposed to more experienced, bigger named candidates... I would not expect Cowher to be hired here if Mangini were no longer around after 2008. I'd love it, but I couldn't see it happening...
Coaches who have won a superbowl with one team never win it with another. I don't want Cowher because of that. Mangini still needs a team of "his" players before the final judgement can be cast upon him.
Mangini is still one of the youngest head coaches in the NFL... The man works hard at being a head coach, thats one of the reasons why BB even game the man a spot in the Patriots orgination. It's WAY to early to give up on him as the future coach of the Jets...Mangini has learned from some of the best in BB and BP' Mangini understands the game of football... And he knows what it takes to win games. The man spent his first two picks on the Offensive line... Drafting a future franchise LT in Ferguson and a potential Pro Bowl center in Mangold... That means alot to me for the simple fact it really coulda been easy for any young head coach to draft the "Sexy Pick", He also went out and made an effort to draft a young QB in Clemens to backup Pennington incase of another future injury to Chad, He went and drafted a Play-Maker for this Offense and special teams player in Leon Washington in the 4th round. Lets not forget that just this past offseason he drafted one of the best 3-4 LB's in the Country out of Michigan in D.Harris... Everyone knows, inorder to run a 3-4 Defense, you must have an Animal to play the position, and Mangini found one in Harris. Mangini also moved up in the draft to land "His guy" in the first round in D.Revis who turned out to be the best rookie CB drafted and in my eyes one of the best rookie Corners I have seen in a LONG time. Lets not forget that Mangini took two players from this Jets squad... Who Herm had stuck in the dog house in Kerry Rhodes and Jericho Cotchery and gave them a chance to play the damn game... And gave them a chance to be the future players of this Jets team for years to come. Anyone who is already quitting on Mangini must know nothing about football... It's not Manginis fault that Herm Edwards didnt bless him with a great Defense or a powerhouse Offense
I tend to agree and the key word is abysmal. If we are 3-13 or 4-12 or something along those lines it would mean that the Jets were completely inactive in the '08 FA market or they just brought in a bunch of nobody's hoping to find something that others overlooked; and that they also had a pretty poor draft. It also would reflect that they did not evaluate the team properly in Jan/Feb of '08 leading to critical errors. This would be embarrassing considering how obvious things are in terms of our needs. In that regard I would say that Tannenbaum would be on the hot seat as well.
15 of our 22 offensive and defensive starters have been brought in or promoted by Mangini and his staff..... Those who were starting before Mangini came in? Coles, Rhodes, Barton, Hobson, Robertson, Ellis, Moore (Baker only started 8 games in 2005) I don't want to get into the Mangini debate again, but I'm just saying that the notion that Mangini hasn't had an opportunity to get his players in here isn't exactly accurate... Oh, and TampaBayJetsFan, Rhodes started every game in 2005 under Herm, and recorder over 100 tackles.. Not exactly in the doghouse....
Sign me up for this. If this is the situation and we have an opportunity to sign Cowher, it seems like a no brainer.
It wouldn't be a bad direction to go, I just hope we don't have to go there. It all comes down to whether you like spittle or waddle.
He's been far from "perfectly fine". For a coach who did a fine job with the cards he was dealt, see Dick Jauron.
I've said it before, but I think Cowher is highly over rated. He coached for years in as soft a division as the league has seen. Yes Baltimore had the defense, but that was relatively easy to over come and they never had the offense to be more than a monor threat. That was the extent of the competition Cowher faced for almost the entirety of his career. The Bengals and Browns blew chunks for most of the seasons Cowher was there. A lot of coaches would have enjoyed similar success as Cowher did, IMHO.
Wow I completely disagree. Even if you call the Bengals and Browns 4 wins a season the steelers had a lot of success while he was there. This was with QB's like Neil O'Donnel and Kordell Stewart until they finally found Rothlisberger. Pittsburgh Steelers 1992 11 5 0 0-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1993 9 7 0 0-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1994 12 4 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1995 11 5 0 2-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1996 10 6 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1997 11 5 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1998 7 9 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 1999 6 10 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2000 9 7 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2001 13 3 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2002 10 5 1 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2003 6 10 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2004 15 1 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2005 11 5 0 4-0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 8 8 0 Totals ---- 149 (62.3%) 90 1 12-9 6 seasons with over 10 wins, two AFC Championships and a superbowl. Awards 1992 AP NFL Coach of the Year 1992 Sporting News NFL Coach of the Year 2004 Sporting News NFL Coach of the Year edit: Prior to his arrival, Pittsburg didn't have a season with more than 10 wins since 1979. You won't find a better coach without a job anywhere.
If I have a problem with the current administration, it is that they overvalued the talent on the '06 team and were too complacent in the past offseason. That said, I think they have drafted well (Brick still has something to prove, as does Clemens), but Mangold, Washington, Smith, Revis, and Harris are very solid players that will serve the future well. This team can't afford to have continual upheaval in the management or coaching staff. The only upheaval should be an outgrowth of other teams poaching our management or coaching staff because of the success they've had, not because we're thinking two in the bush is better than one in the hand. I agree that Cowher isn't the answer -- I think that the Rooneys are a great ownership team and they are more the driver of success in Pittsburgh than Cowher was. And the success in the 1970s would certainly back that up.
OP: You can't see the future. Look at every fan forum outside of the top 10 and you will find at least one guy dreaming up Cowher possibilites. One of you will be right.
No thank you. If Mangini goes down it will likely hinge on our QB situation. If Cowher has proven one thing in his career, it's that he's a terrible judge of QB talent.
