If I had to guess who the Jets are looking at, I think he's at the top of the list. Getting a lot of publicity of possibly jumping into the first round, I could see Rex looking at him as a poor man's Ngata. I wouldn't mind it because I think both him and Cam Thomas would be gone by our 2nd pick but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in a Jets uni next year.
Its not secret we need D line badly. Jenkins Pouah and Ellise are all over 30. Devito is the only other major contributor there returning that is under 30. Linval, Cam Thomas, Cody, and Odrick if he's there are all very possible additions. I don;t see any of them beign around at the end of round two because the ammount of teams that need 34 linemen this year.
You guys know my feelings on Joseph, I have been on this guy's bandwagon for a long time. I would love to be able to slid back 5-7 picks into the mid thirties and still grab him, but I worry with the way the draft is set up, somebody will fly up the boards and grab him, ahead of us. If Joseph is the guy the Jets have Identified and he is only guy that they want, they need to take him at 29 and not get cute. But if they have 3-4 players with even grades and decide they would be more than happy to have any one of the four, but Joseph is the preferred option, they should try and slide back those 5-7 picks and still try to acquire him, but they still have guys they would be happy with if Joseph is selected, so its win-win.
I like Joseph as a prospect, I just don't see him as the pick. He hasn't visited the Jets and as far as we know, they haven't expressed any interest in him. At this point, I'm expecting 2 scenarios: a. We stay put and pick McCourty or Griffen (if available) b. We trade up to ~20 (ahead of the Pats) for one of Graham, Wilson, or Odrick if they're there. Again, that's not necessarily what I 100% want, but my gut tells me that one of those is going to happen. I'd be happy with any of those players, neither is my ideal scenario.
The latest 2nd round trade & still land Joseph would be w/the Eagles at #37 overall. If Joseph is still on the board for the Browns/Raiders/Chargers, 1 of those teams will grab him.
If he turns out to be a good player in a few years, nobody will consider it a reach if the Jets take him at #29
I sincerely doubt we trade up for anyone, but anything's possible. We need bodies and you can't do that by trading away picks. If no one is available that really excites us at 29, I wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down a little bit into the second (if possible) and pick up another later pick. Still might get Linval early in the second. If I were betting I'd say we keep the pick at 29. I'm no draft guru by any means, just my thoughts.
Agreed. I can't help but think that this is a situation similar to Jarron Gilbert. He's being talked up on the board, after watching video (this time NOT of him jumping out of a pool), several people like him and want to reach for him, but he should still be available if we were to trade back. If he's the pick at #29, so be it. I just feel that if we're able to trade back, we could still grab him.
It really depends how far back. Washington, Buffalo, San Deigo, Denverall need 34 linemen and all pick before us the second, and Denver has two high second round picks. Depending who comes off the board in the first they could all be looking that direction with thier second. I don't See Odrick or Dan Williams making it out of the first. Cody may go in the first as well. Jospeh and Cam Thomas are the next two very big bodys that can lock down a 34 NT or End job off the board. The chances of them making it past all of the teams looking for that in the second is very low. If we trade back it would need ot be early in the second IMO.
Of course it would be early. Cleveland, for example, could trade up for McCoy, which would net us their 2nd rounder and our original 3rd. I'd do that trade in an instant.
Thats not a bad senario at all, not sure if Holmgren will go for it with all the holes they have to fill. Two more days...two more days....Sigh.
They have an ungodly number of picks, though. They're going to have to look to consolidate value to move up at some point.
To me that's a very likely scenario... and I'd love it! My top 2 picks if we trade down to top 2nd are Joseph and Ducasse.
I agree 100%, I just don't know if our FO agrees yet or not. I love what Tanny's done overall, but one thing that he's consistently shown is his preference for quality over quantity. I just think that is they're impressed enough by a guy like Graham, they'll jump up and get him with no questions asked. We've said the same thing about building depth the last 2 drafts and yet Tanny still hasn't really addressed it yet; that's not to say that he won't, but we have no precedence to assume that he will at this point.
I don't get why so many seem to think this scenario is likely. What team or teams that pick between 29 and 38 (even after 38 for that matter) are competing with Cleveland for McCoy? Even if someone did beat them to him, it's not like they are in desperate need of a QB. They have Delhomme and Seneca Wallace as stop gaps until Manginni gets inevitably fired next year. At that time Holgrem will be able to pick his own coach straight from the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense Tree as well as his QB of the future. IMO bringing in a guy in now that I'm almost certain will have to learn a whole new offense next year is a waste. I could see it as a likely scenario when Mangini was running the show but not now.
1) Minnesota 2) Any team that pulls a Shonn Greene move and takes advantage of the night break between rounds 1 and 2 to move up to the top of Round 2. Delhomme and Wallace are not viable stopgaps and Cleveland has approximately 8,000 picks in the draft. They can go a long way to addressing the holes on their roster and still get a solid QB who would succeed in a WCO. McCoy feels like a Holmgren QB. He also fits what Minnesota does, and that's a team that sure as hell doesn't want to wait to develop a QB after next season when Favre departs.
