And my point is the Pats were a dynasty. Who beat them when it counted? Especially in 2003 and 2004? Killing Herm for not being able to do something that no one else in the league was able to do makes no sense to me.
parcells took over a 1-15 team but the cupboard was not bare. he inherited Key, Chrebet, Marvin Jones, Jumbo, Mo, Green, Jeff Graham, Brady, O'Dwyer, Murrell, Foley, O'donnell, Douglas, Glenn and more. Do you want a better reg season record or do you want to make the postseason more often? I'll take 3 PO's in 5 years over 1 in 4 any day. The team was a serious SB contendre in 2002 and 2004 under Herm.
The only problem i have with this is that you imply that Herm is better than Parcells. Not even close. I still would take Parcells to rebuild my franchise over every other coach--including BB. Again, Herm gets credit for leading them to the playoffs. If you watch the games week to week -- he is not a great coach and he has a ton of flaws.
If you want to be fair about it, the Pats have simply had more talent then the Jets over the last 5 years. I'm not a fan of Herm, I thought he actually blew an opportunity in 01 and in 02 by sticking with Vinny. It's hard to really blame him for that since he was a rookie HC and that's a strong move to make on a team that was pretty solid and a bonafide competitor. My biggest grip with Herm was his general lack of knowledge in X's and O's and I felt a lot of our young talent were never adequately coached up. Herm ran the team into the ground along with Bradway. I didn't think he has the knowledge base to rebuild because I don't think he really has the core knowledge or the vission to build a team. That said he was a decent caretaker and the players generally played hard and well for him.
Again there is no such thing as backing in but only one time in the 3 years did they lose and then get in and that was 2004. Did they back in by beating playoff bound Oak on the raod(the Jets 1st win in oak since we were the titans)? Did they back in by beating up NE then GB in '02? In '04 they won 10 games and endured a serious QB injury and lost their best defensive talent to injury. They earned it, they won the games they needed to win. and Parcells took a Steinberg/Kotitie roster and did some decent things w/ it. he wasn't the GM, he wasn't responsible for getting players. The tam was more successful in his 5 years than the previous regimes.
Instead of looking at the stats, look at his actual performance. Forget the wins and losses, but look at the decisions he makes in the games and during the week. His training camp, clock management ability, offensive philosophy to run the ball and keep games close, and not take risks, playing not to lose the game. Calling trick plays at points in the game we're you probably shouldn't be calling them. Nobody is questioning that Herm was with us for 3 playoff appearances in 5 years. But the point is, did he LEAD us there, or did he merely ride along on the bandwagon.
Obviously I'd rather have parcells BUT parcells walked out on us, Belichick walked out on us, Groh walked out on us then Herm came into an absolute mess and helped clean it up. Also, parcells has made the postseasopn just 2 times in his last 6 years as a HC and has won just 1 playoff game. This Parcells is not the same as the guy we first got in '97.
His TCs were run well, we only had 1 bad injury year and our teams generally got better s the seasons went on. Would you prefer winning 7 of 10 like we did in '01 to end the season or losing 6 of 9 like we did w/ Groh after his tough camp in '00? MOST coaches struggle w/ clock mgmt, he wasn't great but the clock mgmt woes were overblown b/c he was so bad at first. Last weekend we tried trick plays twice in bad situations but we won the game so no one talked about it.
Personally I don't give a shit about making the playoffs with an okay team. I want to see champoinship quality football played by the NY Jets. The playoffs are about TV revenue, champoinships are about having one of the top 2 or 3 teams in all of pro football and getting a break or two. In 98 we had that type of team. I prefer that and that opportunity to making the playoffs. Parcells built a SB contender and made a serious run. Making the playoffs is about having a good regular season record and winning tie breaker scenario's against other teams. Being a SB contender is getting 12 to 14 wins, dominating, insuring your playoff berth, at worst a home playoff game in the first and second round and better a bye. Parcells and Groh both didn't make the playoffs with 9 & 7 teams, Herm one the lottery with a 9 & 7 team.
I want a SB as bad as anyone BUT isn't it better to make the playoffs than to miss them? From '87-'00 we made the playoffs twice, that's 2 times in 14 years! I want a Championship but it was sure fun having a chance to make it and seeing meaningful Dec and Jan games. Herm's 9-7 team was 9-7 b/c of injuries. They got off to the slow start b/c the OL was beat up, b/c Curtis was hurt and b/c we had 6 new starters on D. That team was more like an 11 win team than a 9 win team and they knocked down the playoff door instead of blowing it like we did in '97 and '00.
That's the only year we got worse as the season went along but we id bounce back w/ a good playoff run.
We did have a good playoff run. The matchups were in our favor for two rounds, Herm vs Shot and Herm vs Cowher and a rookie QB.
Q: Herm, Jets fans are saying the honeymoon is over Herm: Ya know I went to Hawaii for my honeymoon. Didn't fly either. Took a boat. Going through the air is risky. Took the safe approach. MmmmHmmm. Water's safe. Dick Curl came with us. One time my wife wanted to order one of those Blue Hawaiins, ya know, they got an umbrella in em. I looked at Dick. He shook his head no. That was that. She had water. Can't go wrong with water. Cleans you out. Football is like a fish swimming upstream. You're strivin, sweatin, tryin....giving it all you got to get where you gotta get. That's us. We're like red fish. Red fish blue fish, one fish two fish. That's one of my favorites.
Are you serious that we are better now then Herm took over. My god how much does Herm pay you to defend him?
Here is what you posted No he didn't get us to the SB but he gave us good times and made us BETTER than when he took over. That translated to me that Herm left us in better condition then he arrived.
I love this debate because I hate Herman Edwards. How about his ability to ruin Curtis Martin's career? In a season that was all but lost and Curtis playing on an injured knee, he just had him keep pounding it into the line for 1-2 yard gains and now he is unavailable to play this year and his career is in jeopordy. This is a guy who if he had played this year and next had a chance to push for the most rushing yards ALL TIME. Herman ruined him. Herman Edwards also decided to kick the ball off twice in a game in order to get the wind at our backs in the 4th quarter.
