Herm on His Questionable Clock Management

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  1. klecko73

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    I am still laughing that we got a 4th round pick for this buffoon...

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/12/05/bc.fbn.chiefs.edwards.ap/index.html

     
  2. championjets69

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    To bad most NYJ fans did not see Herms expressions as the game wound down. At least IMHO they were priceless & sure reminded me at least how incompetant a HC or thinker he is. I wish to thank DirecTV for bringing me those few moments which I will cherish until the next one pops up. Besides being able to see the NYJ games that made every penny I pay for my DirecTV worthwhile.
     
  3. typeOnegative13NY

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    I think Herm should hire Flava Flav as an assistant. This way he has a few big ass clocks at his disposal.
     
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    I love bashing Herm with the best of them, and to be honest I didn't see the entire ending of this game, so I don't know all of the details. But based on this article I kind of agree with what he is saying. If they need to drive the length of the field with no timeouts, with under 2:00 to go, to tie the game, I wouldn't call a timeout either. Put the pressure on them....
     
  5. The Uniform Bomber

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    hahah.

    vintage Herm.


    cheers
     
  6. Section 227. Row 5

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    The implosion continues...
     
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    I thought it was "You Play To Win The Game, you don't play it just to go play it."
     
  8. Dierking

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    Priceless Hermisms aside, not to mention the look on his face in OT, I have to say I think I'd have done the same thing. If it was a three point game and they were in FG range, maybe thats different.
     
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    I have to side with Herm on this occasion, also.
     
  10. The Uniform Bomber

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    i don't know if it's necessarily all about THIS game.

    Herm is notorious for mismanaging the clock. whether he was right or wrong is irrelevant, because he's no longer getting the benefit of the doubt; especially now that it's clutch-time in the season.



    cheers
     
  11. Section 227. Row 5

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    The problem for Herm now is, though, he's made so many other f@cked up decisions concerning clock management, even if he makes a correct one now, he'll still be questioned unmercifully. You gotta love it.
     
  12. JetsIn2004

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    I'd agree, worth the 200 bucks right there...
     
  13. 3rdAnd15Draw

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    He actually sounded like an actualy NFL head coach for a minute there defending his decision, but then of course he had to lapse into his ramblings about players performing differently at home and on the road.

    I agree that Herms face at the end of the game was wonderful to see.
     
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    You have to remember that is KC there is NOTHING after the Chiefs in sports so you would expect them to put Herm under the microscope constantly not like his love affair in NY with the NYJ beat writers. Also, since he has been dogged with his clock managerment abilities in the past I am sure the KC writers are watching him closer then a hawk watching his prey before striking it. I doubt cause of Herm thinking capabilities that he ever realize that the press would be his enemy in KC. I'm sure he thought he could charm them just like he charmed the NYJ beat writers here
     
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    The HC of the KCC should have a better explanation than this:

    "Why that is, I don't have any idea," Edwards said. "I really don't. It's certain players. I guess they just don't play as well on the road as they do at home, and they've got to find a way to do that. I wish I could give them a medicine, or a pill. But I can't do that. They've got to play better, and they know it."

    Baamf, I understand your take on Herm's justification for not calling a TO. But that being said, his defense was obviously clueless during the Browns' march down the field. Taking a TO to give your team more time to score points in the last few seconds may be debateable, but you could use the TO to get your defense better aligned to stop the onslaught. You could interpret Herm's approach here as either a) having no confidence in his ability to reanalyze the situation and put in some calls to stop the Browns and/or b) having no confidence that his D could execute if it was given the right call to run. I would say Herm's clock strategy in this case was, "S**t, I hope this thing runs out before they score."
     
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    I have tried to find it out there on the web but so far no luck
     
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    I thought this was great...

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/12/05/bc.fbn.chiefs.edwards.ap/index.html


    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Criticized for faulty clock management going back to his days in New York, Herman Edwards isn't sitting still for this one.

    Kansas City's first-year coach has drawn fire from some fans and broadcasters for not using at least one of his three timeouts while Cleveland was driving late in the fourth quarter Sunday for the tying touchdown.

    Why not stop the clock and give yourself more precious seconds to get downfield and maybe kick a winning field goal if the Browns do tie it?

    But Edwards kept his timeouts in his pocket and the Chiefs had less than a minute to work with after Cleveland scored the tying touchdown in a game the Browns eventually won 31-28 in overtime.

    "They have to make a decision in 30 seconds, and I'm not going to stop the clock so they can regroup and think about what they want to do," he said. "They've got to score. We're winning the game. We're not losing the game. They have to score a touchdown. So for me, I'm sitting there going, 'OK, if they do score, I'm going to have 30 seconds left, and I've got all three timeouts."

    It's a strategy, Edwards pointed out, that worked beautifully in a 17-13 victory over Oakland on Nov. 19. The Raiders drove inside the 10 in the final seconds, but safety Jarrad Page intercepted Oakland's pass in the end zone to preserve the win.

    Similarly, in a 30-27 victory Oct. 22 over San Diego, Lawrence Tynes kicked the winner with 6 seconds left after the Chiefs used timeouts while driving downfield to put him in position.

    "We didn't make a good play (in Cleveland) when we got the ball back. That hurt us," Edwards said.

    "Different situations dictate maybe you use (timeouts). I thought we managed it well," he said. "I wasn't raising the white flag thinking they were going to score a touchdown. I thought we were going to stop them. I'm not going to start calling timeouts under two minutes, and our defense looks at me and says, 'What are you doing?'

    "If I'm going to do that, I'm just going to let them score. Just let them run the ball and score a touchdown, get it over with. You don't do that. You've got to play the game."

    The loss left the Chiefs (7-5) in a five-way tie for the two AFC wild-card spots, and also with a sour taste in their mouths. The defense, which had played well for a month, failed to protect the lead after tight end Tony Gonzalez had over 100 yards receiving, running back Larry Johnson had over 100 yards rushing and Trent Green threw four touchdown passes.

    The entire scene seemed disturbingly reminiscent of past seasons when the Chiefs would lead the league in offense but fail even to reach the playoffs because of their sorry defense.

    It was also another late-season failure on the road, something else that has haunted Kansas City for six years.

    "Why that is, I don't have any idea," Edwards said. "I really don't. It's certain players. I guess they just don't play as well on the road as they do at home, and they've got to find a way to do that. I wish I could give them a medicine, or a pill. But I can't do that. They've got to play better, and they know it.

    "It's not like they intentionally don't play well on the road. They want to play well. But for some reason, certain guys don't. It's not a whole team. You can look at this game and say, 'Well, your defense didn't play well on the road, but your offense did.'

    "But what difference does that make? So the offense ate different food than the defense? Their beds were better than the defense? No, I don't know that. There were some defensive players who played halfway decent. And there were some offensive players who should have played a little bit better, but didn't.

    "I don't know. You drive yourself crazy trying to worry about that stuff."
     
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    Yes just to make them stand in the cold & stop there mo & as U say give yourself time to discuss what D may work was worth at least 1 TO. I think that is what the writer of the article was saying without saying it
     
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    :rofl2:
    That's classic !!!! He's banging that telex saying "Hello, hello, is there anybody in there???"

    :lol:
     

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