There is a lot of shit on here about sanchez, I even heard, "trade" in regards to #74 and #24 (crazy talk) and while it has been insinuated that "bag of bones" "mr never had 100yd game" should be, "cut" there has not been much talk about wheeling and dealing some of our shittiest players out of new York. 1) cromartie and Holmes for mjd and whatever draft picks both sides can agree to. Cro is on the decline. He cost us multiple games do to penalties. He single handily lost Oakland and yet he is still a viable option as a #1 or 2 in the league. We have Wilson a promising player entering his 3rd year, understands the system and plays with Revis (he is ready to make big impact). Holmes quit the second half of the year. He quit. He, "captain" ripped this team apart at the seams. I have a laundry list of bad things to say about Holmes. He fumbles, can't sustain a block, never gets up field, tackled on first contact, zero separation, takes plays off, zero 100yd games, zero 10 catch games, knocked over before getting into his route, he is a pussy and the list goes on. The one redeeming quality is tha highlight catch he is capable of making (beautiful, awesome, spectacular? Yes.) but he hurts us bad on production and his selfish play kills our offense. Deal him now while he is worth something. Kerley is ready to step up and for the love of God please recognize we are a running football team with a play-action home run and a killer defens. We are not the west coast. 2) Get back Edwards. With Edwards and plax we could have the best blocking tandem receivers in the league. Those two are giants to all hobbit corners in the league. Not to mention both receivers lay wood. Edwards gets separation for the bomb, he is fast, his hands were better and my goodness the kid is tough. Plax is a beast in the red zone, he's tall, he's tough and my goodness those are gorgeous hands. 3) fix the right side of the o-line. Fix our line backing corps. If we can't fix the safety, blitz the son of a bitch every time (we need to apply pressure more and force qb to make poor decisions) IMO Leonard will be back. 4) shonn Greene is a great 2nd half of the year/post season rb. This is proven. He starts slow every year. Tomlinson is old. We need fire at this position. We need an mjd type rb. A player capable of putting the entire offense on his shoulders, running the rock hard for 4+ yards a carry. Someone who can drive a pile or burn you on the outside. Someone with hands that can catch screen passes and passes in the flats. Our offense should be based primarily on controlling the clock, keeping our defense off the field, ground ' n pound and then killing the opposing defense by catching them off guard with play-action. This should be a run heavy offense.
1. i don't get the cromartie hate. he started off rough.. but i thought he played better in 2011 than he did in 2010. so i think decline is a bit harsh. he's only 27 or 28. and it's not like his tough, physical style of play has caused any undue wear and tear. you basically listed all of the reasons that holmes is untradeable. how is he worth something coming off pretty much the worst year you could ever imagine. i think a lot of people fall in love with the young players and their potential. as soon as any of them show signs of life, they are deemed ready to breakout and take over for whoever is ahead of them. i see it with mcknight, wilson, kerley, the d-line guys, even someone like patrick turner. fact is, we can't rely on them until they do break out. wilson has shown more than the other guys. but getting rid of cromartie, making wilson the #2, and strickland the nickel would be a pretty large step down in the secondary. 2. plax is not coming back. he certainly doesn't want to be back. we'll see about braylon. no one knows where his body is at. if he's 2010 braylon, it's almost a no-brainer. 3. i think everyone agrees that rt, lb, safety could use upgrades. i think safety gets a definite makeover. we're stuck with this lb group for one more year. and hopefully, we do something about wayne hunter. please. 4. 100% agree that we need a real rb. tired of hearing about how greene/mcknight/powell are fine. that is not a good looking group for an offense that is supposed to be based around the ground game.
Cro had a good fucking year, I don't understand how he is on the decline. He actually played better than last year. No one is going to take those contracts.
i just got a headache reading that original post, jumbled nonsense. -Bring Plax back for run blocking purposes... What a joke. -Cro Had a shitty year and lost games for us... Another genius statement. -People on a Jets forum are making ridiculous threads about trading our two best players...What if this actually happens?? I bet Tanny takes every post on here into consideration before making moves.
Great idea. Let's trade Holmes and Cromartie and take on a $37 mil cap hit. Some people have absolutely no clue how NFL is run.
Mind is a terrible thing to waste... Last but not the least, stop using drugs. It will thoroughly waste you.
Agreed, I still don't understand the Cromartie hate. He takes too many penalties but he's been great in coverage for the most part. And in any case, the idea that we could package his shitty contract with Holmes' abortion of a contract and get Maurice Jones-Drew -- the NFL's leading rusher -- in return is hilariously stupid.
Cromartie is a good player. The problem is we expect him to be Revis and he is not nearly as consistent as Revis. However Cro also is more of a playmaker than revis. Thats probably due somewhat to the fact that he is inconsistent so teams throw at him and he has the opportunity to make more plays but he is a ridiculous athlete. The other problem is we have 20 million locked into our starting corners. In my opinion Revis is a once in a lifetime player so I don't trade guys like that and his 12 million per is worth it based on what he brings to the table. I wouldn't have payed Cromartie 8-10 million a year for his services. Corners are important for Rex but I don't think its smart to have that much $ locked into the cornerback position. As for the proposed trade above sounds like a fantasy trade to me. Based on the money that Cro and Holmes are due and Holmes reputation there is no way Jacksonville would make that trade. From the Jets standpoint I don't know what MJD's contract is like but he has some mileage on him so I'm not sure it make sense for them for anything more than the immediate future.
We all knew Holmes was capable of BS. That's how we first got him on the cheap. His frustration boils over in the second half of the last game, the media turns it into a shit-show and now all many of you can do is call for his head no matter what the repercussions are to the team. Think about what he added to the team in 2010 before you want him gone for his childish fit during the Dolphin game. Ridiculous. We have to make this work, and it will work. Move on!
Cro cost us Oakland single handily. He has hiccups all the time that cost us. Cro, has value in the league and is viable #1 or 2. We have Revis and we have Wilson entering his 3rd season. I believe we should use Cro for bait and shore up more pressing needs. I also believe we should use Holmes for bait and get our minds out of the clouds that we are a passing football team, we are not. We are a run heavy offense with a qb that has a pretty good ball fake and a strong arm to chuck it down-field (holmes does not get down-field) This said- I admit to having absolutely zero understanding of the cap repercussion. Does the team receiving the player shoulder none of the cap burden? Are we that stupid to sign cro and holmes to big contracts that we alone have to swallow even if we trade the player? The young guys are ready and hungry. Our star studded guys don't give a fuck and are content. And for all the love for Cromartie, man what an excellent tackler he is.
The Jets can't trade Cromartie and Holmes at this point for cap reasons. Cromartie would count $6.95 million against the cap in dead money this year if traded. That's 3/4 of his $5 million signing bonus last year plus a $3.2 million bonus he is due this season. Holmes would count a minimum of $6 million against the cap in dead money this year if traded. That's 4/5 of his $6.25 million bonus plus a $1 million roster bonus. Between them it would cost a minimum of $ 12.95 million against the cap to trade them. Keeping them we get players for their cap space. Trading them we don't.
To be upset at a players value and demanding a trade are two totally different problems. You can not make changes based on feelings but on what makes the best sense for the team success. Right now we need to get the absolute most out of Cro, who by the way was pretty good last year, and figure out a way to set a fire under Holmes ass and get him to play to his potential. Trading them would be financial disasters and set the team on their backs. As someone said winning will solve most problems...that starts with a game plan that maximizes the players strengths, and a QB that can regain his confidence and avoid costly turn overs. I suspect that with theses corrections, Holmes pouting will disappear
