QB may still be a weakness for us. Chad's not going to play. Clemens didn't do too well. Maybe he'll be okay, maybe he won't be. Now that Anderson is back in Cleveland, Quinn's not going to want to end up like Rodgers in GB (who is now FINALLY getting his shot). Maybe send a pick or two and Chad or Kellen to Cleveland for Quinn. Just a thought, and I'm pretty certain it won't happen, but I would definitely love to see it. I apologize if there's already a thread on this, but I have limited chance to look at this site at work without someone seeing haha.
Did the madden gauge accept this trade? QBs need 3 yrs to develop. Thats what every coach in the NFL will tell you. Kellen sat his 1st, played his 2nd and now here is his 3rd. He will play, Chad behind him. If kellen does not work out i see us drafting one next year.
I'd like to see how Kellen progresses with some protection. Maybe if he can make it back all 3 steps in a 3 step drop without a DE in his face, he can complete some passes. Right now, I'm not sold, but it's too early to toss him away. Eli took quite some time to develop (and who knows, maybe he reverts back to the old "Aw shucks" Eli next season). Let's give Kellen a full season and a full training camp before we toss him on the scrap heap.
I don't see what's so unreasonable about it. Some QBs develop better than others. I think most scouts will tell you that Quinn has a higher ceiling and a brighter future than Clemens does. Maybe both of them will suck and maybe both will be good. I'd rather have Quinn than Clemens because he was the better prospect and still is. If Quinn's going to be the backup, I would think they would rather get Clemens and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder so that they still have a capable backup and get a good pick out of the deal.
I tend to agree with you and I'd like to give him time to develop, but I feel like this FO is trying to win now. We're paying some old players lots of money and the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think they're building this team to win now. If that's the case, I want the best QB we can get in there for this upcoming season. Maybe I'm wrong though and this team will be good for years. Or maybe they'll just end up as the same ol' Jets haha.
Phew. I'm glad SOMEONE finally gathered the courage to start an "our QB's suck" thread. I was worried Tuesday would just come and go.
I agree but believe me, Phil Savage loves the fact that he has two capable QBs or starting and winning for the Browns, its a better situation to be in than what we are in- two moderate QBs and we dont know who to start. Quinn does have a higher ceiling, and thats why they will keep him, so if Anderson goes down, they have a guy who can pick up the team and go.
Only one sucks...the other's still an unknown. I just think it's something to inquire about. Quinn's in a bad situation and he would elevate the level of talent at the QB position on our team. It makes sense to me.
That city and franchise has too much of a hard on for Brady. Anderson only got a 3 year deal remember? There still a significant chance Quinn ends up the starter there eventually.
Quinn's ego is deflating by the day. There's some talk of him being a very high 1st round pick, he drops lower than expected. Then, a guy who was supposed to be a nobody is given a new deal for 3 years, where it's conceivable that Brady is carrying a clipboard and walking the sidelines for the better part of his initial contract.
I actually think in '09 you'll hear his name alot, because he'll be sawing off Derek Anderson's ass during camp, and the moment Anderson has a bad game they'll hand the ball to the hometown boy. One thing you can't question about Brady is the work ethic.
savage says he will start '08 with both qb's, and will not entertain even a phone call about trading either one.
It's good to see you haven't got rid of that horendous avatar, but it's better than that old mans ass in a pink thong. (KOZ's favorite) :wink:
I'd just like to point out to you that QBs cannot play in a vacuum. If you don't give them an adequate OL in front of them, they tend to disappoint. If you don't agree, then I would suggest you take a look at everybody's cover boy when the NYG Men got through with him in that last game early in Feb.
Actually, I would say 3.5 to 4 years, given recent anecdotes (Eli, for one) would be a better gauge for today's QB. Don't you think Kellen did rather well behind that sieve in 07? The biggest thing he was asked to do was to run like hell for his life on virtually every play. After all, he didn't get killed. So what if he had more interceptions than Chad in fewer games played...? The luck of the draw was all this year's stats revealed. Kellen's playing time was given to him because the season was a lost cause. What is really wonderful about the NYJ is that everybody on the NYJ knew this and they kept playing as hard as they could to try their best to get something out of it. You know, the players are not stupid -- they had intimate knowledge of what was going wrong by the third or fourth game, at the very least. They are made to scrutinize every play of every game -- it's their job. There were no secrets about the atrocious OL play by the third or fourth game. Hell, even the kicker knew what was what by then. Yet they all continue to play hard. The OL coaches went down their protocols and then their procedures, and finally they started pulling out and plugging in -- knowing full well that there was little or no chance to jell the line, but looking for a glint of learning or a better technique. All the while, the rest of the team did their damnedest. You have to admire the NYJ team -- everybody knew you don't send out for a new OL in game four. The waiver wire would just laugh at you if you queried RG, LT, LG, RT, C. Yet they all played their asses off. Amazing when you think about it. What happened to the rats and the sinking ship...? That's not the NYJ.
I wouldn't give up on Clemens just yet. I'd really like to see how he does with a solid OL in front of him and some real weapons to work with. I would understand it more if people were talking about bringing in a more experienced QB, who they could win now with, but not for another unproven guy who has fewer NFL snaps under his belt than Clemens. With the Jets being in a "win now" mode, I think Clemens is either backing up Chad to start the season or he's going to be on a very very short leash to start the season as the starter. It'll be interesting to see how must progress he makes this offseason and in training camp.
Lucid argument. the optimist in me agrees completely. I think that Kellen will be the starter even with the open competition, like chad was in 06- They know whos starting now, but they wont tell anyone as motivational tool, etc. A great line does make a QB better, that is a fact- i also believe that if no QB can do well behind this line then it is time to look for a new signal caller.
