As long-timers, we need to go back to the pre-Parcells era for some context as to how good we have it. In the 12 seasons since we hired Parcells, we're 100-92. In the 12 previous sesons we were 75-113-1, the joke of the league. Parcells gave us a winning attitude in the locker room, that neither Herm or Mangini was able to destroy. Enter today, and perhaps Rex is a Parcells clone. No BS around rebuilding - he wants to make the Jets a winner now, and it looks good. No excuses out of this coach. Players love him and work their asses off for him. He manages games well, calls games well, seems to get the most out of players, proved himself at handling tough characters in Baltimore, and hopefully is about to do the same with Braylon. Rex puts his players in position to maximize their talents - none of this "cover-2" or "3-4" rubbish. Everyone seems to respect this guy - perhaps his only risk is that he says too much, but hell - after Mangini and Herm, we needed some public confidence exuding. And let's not forget Tannenbaum. Where we used to have the worst front office and drafting, we're cream of the crop at this point. Since Bradway left, he's had the midas touch. And in his first round mistake, he still drafted a gamechanger in the same first round. So, we have it good. Real good. We've escaped 2 miserable coaches. We have a coach who grew up as a Jet fan and wants to win a SB, and win a SB with the Jets. We have a QB who wants to be here (and it looks like he'll be a good one). Heck, if Braylon works out, we're becoming the team where bad apples go to become good apples. At a minimum, we're an organization that believes we have the strength to get the most out of individuals - the hallmark of a great organization. That said, we need to see what happens when we have setbacks. I had no confidence in Herm's ability to answer setbacks. I have extreme confidence in Rex and this organization - and for that - need to give props to Woody. And again, a lot of this team's foundation is owed to Bill Parcells, the man who took us from league joke to a winning team.
I would say Parcells is totally different than Rex. BP would not be a big talker like Rex and would run his team differently.
I wouldn't exactly call Ryan a Parcell's clone... I see Parcell's as more of a ME guy... kinda selfish really. Sure, he wants his team to do well - because it reflects well on him. Ryan on the other hand I see as being passionate about the team and less of a ME guy. They are both clowns in their own rite though... lol I can only hope that Ryan can finish the job that Parcells neglected to do during his stay here.
Herm finished up his term on the Jets by having an awful season. Mangini saw a great late season collapse taht knocked a team that was throght of as a sure fire contender out of the playoffs. Both of those men had destroyed the teams winning imiage and attitude before they left. One of the main reason for the rebound this year is Rex's attitude toward football as both a seroius job and serious fun. He changed the culture in the locker room so guys enjoyed comming to work once again. It had nothing to do with Parcells or his influence.
Parcells turned the franchise around from losers to winners but he also hurt us w/ awful drafts and cap mgmt. I wish he would have stayed another year or 2 to finish the job but I will always be grateful he turned around the losing culture.
That's been Parcells MO everywhere he's been since he left the Giants. He takes a no lose situation turns it around by spending outrageously and mortaging the future then walks away when it heads south. I liked him as a coach - period and that's where it ends for me. Too early to tell about Rex , but from what I've seen and heard , he's a guy who wants to win now , but is more interested in his team than himself. Night and day from Parcells who's ego will probably get voted into Canton.
Bill Parcells only agenda with the Jets was turning the team around and winning a Super Bowl before Leon Hess died. As soon as Hess died he lost interest in my opinion. All of his moves were designed to win in 1998 or 1999 and when bad luck/planning cut that off he turned his attention away from the Jets.
I can see some similarities between BP and Ryan, but not much. BP would never: - trade up to draft a QB in the first round - design a defense around existing talent - be amicable to the media
It's hard to judge Parcells because that team in '99 had all the makings of a Super Bowl team before Vinny went down. I don't see any reason to compare them. I'm happy with Rex for now, but he has to keep winning or else the trash talk, happy go-lucky attitude is going to wear thin.
I was always glad Parcells stuck around that last year when he wanted to get out completely and then Belichick bolted for New England. By staying and working with Groh, we kept some stability and avoided going back to the Coslet/Carroll/Kotite-style turmoil that we weren't far removed from at the time. It could have easily gone a different way, and they did a good job with those four #1 draft picks.
Do we know for sure that he was a lifelong Jets fan? I know it's a strong possibility, since his dad worked for the Jets when he was a kid, but is there any proof? Maybe I missed it?
I disagree that Mangini was a bad coach - he just wasn't a good/great coach. Last year's collapse was injury to Favre not Mangini's inability to coach. What was the alternative? Kellen Clemens? A 1 armed Favre is better than a healthy Kellen Clemens and Clemens said that himself. Herm was another story and I blame him for ending Curtis Martin's career by running him constantly and not spreading that workload with Lamont Jordan at the time (save this debate for another thread) That being said - I wonder how the darksiders - or anyone else for that matter - will feel about Team T-Rex (Tennanbaum & Sexy Rexy) next year or the year after should we incur a couple of injuries and end up with a 5-11 season? A lot of posters were calling to Mike T's head when the Edwards experiment failed and also with mangini's shortcomings. Now we are praising him cause of all the trades. Will we be running REX out of town when we have a couple of losing seasons in a row? Everyone here likes Rex's demeanor as do I. But i also don;'t want the Jets to be the laughing stock when it comes to HC. I don't know about anyone else but i want Rex Ryan to be to the Jets' what Bill Cowher and Jeff Fischer are to the Steelers & Titans respectively. I like what I see so far and i am willing to stick with him even if we have a couple of bad seasons. I hope more people's opinion/feelings on Rex are similar to mine. I really think having stability at the HC position will truly help the Jets shed that "stepchild" mentality. I hope Rex stays for a while.
I dont blame Mangini for what happened on the offensive side of the ball. Favre was hurt. However Mangini changed the way the defense played after the New England game. They stopped getting after the QB and because of that QB's had all day to throw on the Jets.
This is what I hate. Sure enough, Bill Parcells did good in New York. But we tend to suck his balls and give him all the credit. Why give him so much credit? We ONLY ONE player from his regime. All the players we have right now are new except Shaun Ellis. And what about the four 1st rounders he drafted for us? Chad became injury prone, Shaun Ellis didn't really live up to his 1st round expectations, John Abraham was his best pick but didn't last too long with the Jets, and Anthony Becht? Sure enough its been 9 years, but still. He took over a team that was coached by a moron. He couldn't do any worse than Kotite. He got us a respectable 9-7 record, then AFC championship game, then 8-8. They were all decent with 98 being close to great, but why does he still get the credit? The teams current success is purely becuase of Tanny. He's the one that orchestrates the trades. He's the one who took over in cap hell years. He's the one who got rid of players from 'Parcells era' to get OUT of cap hell. Wait, can we say Kotite was the man behind all this? our team got better when he left and it was him who made the team? NO!
Mangini is a bad coach because he doesn't use his players strength's to beat you, he uses his bullshit schemes that may not suit his players and tries to win that way. And he will not make one adjustment to save his life. That's why he is 0-4 in Cleveland and that team seems to be giving up on him already. A couple of losing seasons is bad for any coach, and if it happens with a healthy team something is wrong here. But if there are tons of injuries owners usually understand and you get to stay another year. I think that's why Dick Jauron still has a job. You can't be a laughing stock when you're winning. And he has toned it down, because he realizes that he holds more responsibility than he did as a DC. He'll be fine. I have a feeling he'll be around for more than 4 years. Which would be the longest tenured coach for the Jets in decades.
You're joking right? The only player worth his spot was John Abraham, 13th overall. Shaun Ellis was 12th overall and didn't live up to his expectations. Although he is good, but not a 12th overall good. Chad Pennington, the 1st QB of the draft, never fulfilled his promises either. Becht? Need I say more?
